Merkel flies to Moscow to discuss middle east with Putin / snubs Trump

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  1. Bluesguy

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    I'm being floored here, I though Germany had reformed from it's 20th century history and now I see it wanting to align itself with a country such as Iran and now Russia apparently in a move to start opposing the free west. Is it the 1930's all over again?
     
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    I'm sure the feeling is mutual.
     
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    Spare me the BS. The US lost 10 times the number of troops and you guys still don't contribute to NATO what you promised to.

    The one breaking promises here are the Germans failing to contribute what was promised in treaty.

    I see you couldn't respond to the Muslim invasion of your country or the escalating crime because of it. What a shocker.

    You want to know where the loyalty is to Germany? Its the 50,000 troops dedicated to defending Western Germany during the cold war and the 21 bases that still exist in Germany keeping Putin at bay while you spend your money bringing in Muslim invaders who rape your women and murder your children.
     
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    Just about except this time its the Muslims taking over their country.
     
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    Not sure what to make of Edogan. He's definitely trying to be Turkey's "strongman," but I think he's also trying to walk a line between secularism and an Islamic State. And, he may be moving closer to Putin, sensing that the U.S. may be moving out of the ME. But, that could depend upon Netanyahu and MbS.
    I think Boeing may be our largest single exporter and they've apparently endangered that with a tragic strategic product development error. "Finance" replaced American corporatism, with "shareholder value" and assorted tax policies. We may still be the "go to" place in terms of a global safe haven, but I expect that to fade as well. Believe I'd contribute it to too much individualism and individual greed. We should have rebuilt our own infrastructure (including health care and education) back in the seventies. Reaganomics might have worked in the past, in a national economy, but not in the new global economy. But, of course, that's just my opinion.
     
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    EU FREEDOMGermany’s AfD Foreign Policy Speaker Petr Bystron Lashes Out at Angela Merkel for Putting the Brutal Regime Before the Suffering People of Iran.

    President Trump tweeted out his support for the Iranian protesters this weekend.
    It was the most liked tweet in Farsi — EVER!

    President Trump followed up with this tweet.

    To the leaders of Iran - DO NOT KILL YOUR PROTESTERS. Thousands have already been killed or imprisoned by you, and the World is watching. More importantly, the USA is watching. Turn your internet back on and let reporters roam free! Stop the killing of your great Iranian people!​

    Unfortunately, not all of the Western leaders are following Trump’s lead in supporting the brave Iranian protesters.
    Ambassador Richard Grenell asked European leaders to join with the US government in supporting the Iranian people.

    And on Monday the Speaker of the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party on the Foreign Policy Committee of the German Bundestag Petr Bystron said:

    “The German government has to end its policy of appeasement towards Iran. While the Arab world has turned against Tehran, Angela Merkel and her foreign minister Heiko Maas are the last friends Ayatollah Khamenei’s murderous regime still has.

    The German government must stop supporting the terrorists, and stand with the people of Iran. The people of Iran will not forget who supported them in these hard times – and who supported the tyrants.“
    Petr Byston is well aware of what it’s like to live under a brutal dictatorship hoping for outside help, having grown up in Communist Czechoslovakia and fled to the West in 1987.
     
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    Well I won’t shed a tear if they start exterminating them.

    I will even give them my left over chicken wire to start their camps
     
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    30 million indians by the british
     
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    He is a czech, not a German.
     
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    Merkel pretends to ignore Trump while doing as she is told.
     
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    Spare me with your BS. The US invoked article 5 for its wars and its NATO partners did not deny the help.

    I told you what I think about a site like jihadwatch and your BS Muslim invasion.

    The US did not defend West Germany, it was NATO which stood between the Soviets and its allies and West Europe.
    The most important lesson from the cold war, as long as you are able to talk with each other, you will not have war.
    That applies to Iran, too.
     
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    Erdogan has its own ideas of a Turkish Empire and has moved Turkey away from a secular State.
    Putin might be what he wants to be. The US influence in the ME is going down the drain and Putin and Erdogan want to fill that hole.
     
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    Isn't this what Hitler said before he invaded Poland and ultimately Russia?
     
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    Because Russia has a brilliant track record with the German people.

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    Try checking how tRUMP feels about Putin and the comments he has made in regards to the US intelligence agencies concerning Putin.
    Try it....just try it...!

     
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    Hitler was allied with USA? Wow thats new.

    No, thats not what Hitler said.

    Would you stay in an alliance with a country like USA that wants force us to buy american LNG for 30% more?

    Sorry but we have selfrespect
     
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    We live in 2020. Germany killed almost 30 milliin russians. They build a wall. Both sides did ****.

    Peace and prosperity in Europe is impossible when Germany and Russia dont work with each other.
     
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    Post any comments of his saying we will align with Russia over NATO.
     
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    He's a Speaker for the party that you supposedly support.

    Do you agree with his statement that the German government should pull its lips of Iran's ass?
     
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    Keep running from the funds you promised.

    I told you what I think about a site like jihadwatch and your BS Muslim invasion.[/quote]

    I could care less what you think about it. You've yet to prove it wrong.

    LOL So those 50k of American troops were for show huh. You get more amusing with each post.

    Yes I'm sure military presence had nothing to do with it. Are you really serious with this fantasy land you live in?
     
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    I could care less what you think about it. You've yet to prove it wrong.



    LOL So those 50k of American troops were for show huh. You get more amusing with each post.



    Yes I'm sure military presence had nothing to do with it. Are you really serious with this fantasy land you live in?[/QUOTE]
    There is nothing to proof, Breitbard, Infowar, jihad watch and so on are just stupid and not worth to discus or disproof or what ever
    Belief what you want to belief.

    Naturally did the huge armies of the West and East produce a stall mate. But it was a rather dangerous stall mate. To close to war to be good.
    That's why communication channels were kept open, that's why the leaders met, that's why treaties were negotiated, that why observers were invited for each others military games. We talked constantly to prevent the war. We traded with each other.
    I grew up in that time and I was in the military in that time.
    I know how often we got to the point of no-return and only the always open communication channels prevented it.
    We even went so far, if we or they moved a large force, we let them now and they did the same.
    West Germany had at that time the largest Army present in West Europe and in the 70s and 80s the US Army was not worth a dam, barely good enough to invade Grenada.
     
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    Nope, the lesson from WWII and WWI and the cold war. Even if you are not friend or maybe enemies or opponents or not friends, you talk with each other and you can even trade with each other..
    That is far better than the stupidity the idiot in chief is trying, playing the world dictator.
     
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    As I said side with the largest state sponsor of terrorisms who makes it's people chant death to America and with Putin against us. Is it the 1930's all over again and opposing the free west.
     
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    You do not get it.
    Iran is a Sponsor or terrorism, Saudi Arabia is a state sponsor of terrorism, they are the same, no fricking difference. Both are Muslim dictatorships. Both promote their form of the Muslim religion. In Europe it is the Wahabi, through their State sponsored Mosque. Which are the hot bed of European Muslim extremists and terrorists. Take a look at the US, when ever there has been a terrorist incident you always can follow it back to the Wahabi, Saudi Arabia. From 911 to the latest at a US base.
    That is the US close Allie, hanging a Medal around Trumps head.
    Both countries are bad actors and have horrible human right violation.
    But just discarding them is stupid, not talking to either one.
    What makes them chant death to the US, because what the US did to their country. It installed a brutal dictator ship and when that got overthrown, called it a enemy, for ever.
    Its the same with Russia.
    Get over it, we have to deal with them, the Saudis, Iranians, Russians, Syrian, Iraqi, Libyans, Turkey and so on.

    It is the 1930 all over if we quit talking, with respect.
    Times have changed, the true powers talk quietly, with each other, make deals, always make deals.
    Macron, Johnson and Merkel put out a statement last weekend, supporting the Iran deal and are now using the instruments of the deal.
    This is how it works
    That Made in China baseball bat Dump is using has lost its power.
     
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    A party has various factions. I dont agree with his bullshit. I support the Höcke wing, more distance to USA, more cooperation with Russia.
     

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