Merkel flies to Moscow to discuss middle east with Putin / snubs Trump

Begin building their own? Germany already is 3rd largest weapon producer in the worlf.

 

What do you want us to do militarily?

 

True...but you don't seem to be able to include Germany in that. Why not?

 

Don't think so...it's armaments industry may be third or fourth in the EU, certainly behind the U.K. and France. And, globally, far behind the U.S., China and Russia. Maybe they're in the top ten, but it would be close. Cite your source.

 

All great nations have their dark sides. Im full aware of ours, doesnt mean i see it as overly important. Or do you define a brit for the many genocides they did?

 

We are infront UK and China, only USA and Russia and France are infront us

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry

2018
Rank Supplier Arms Exp
1 United States 10,508
2 Russia 6,409
3 France 1,768
4 Germany 1,277
5 Spain 1,188
6 South Korea 1,083
7 China 1,040
8 United Kingdom 741
9 Israel 707
10 Italy 611

 

You may not...but a lot of the rest of the world does...including Germans. As colonists, the Brits were probably responsible for many "genocides" depending upon your definition of the term. But...I can't recall any as recent as the Holocaust. And, I am not defining either the Germans of today or their history as being one of genocide. As you said...all nations have had their good and bad moments...you just seemed to not want to admit to Germany's.

 

Holocaust is 80 years ago, extinction of tasmanians 80 years ago. They comitted their last genocide at same time as we did

 

Thanks...interesting. In terms of gross sales, I'll stand corrected. Now look at the arms industries as a percentage of GDP. The German arms industry would be large due to the shear size of the economy. Also...that's not government spending...it includes sales abroad by German private industry. Break-up NATO and more of that stuff will stay at home.

 

The german defense industry is enormous but most is for export.

 

Don 't think so...the Wikipedia entry says Tasmania is Australian, not British. And, the removal of the aboriginal population took place in the 19th century, long before the Nazis came to power in Germany. The last of the removed Tasmanian aboriginals apparently died in 1876.

 

'Enormous" is relative. And, like I said, leave NATO and more of that stuff will stay in Germany (while exports might also increase).

 

It should give you pause, that the terrorists of 911 came from Saudi Arabia, which is a US darling.
It should give you pause that the US trains Saudi soldiers, who than commit terrorist crimes in the US.
It should give you pause, that a Russian dictator is considered more reliable than the US.

 

It does. Just like it should give you pause that Muslim immigrants Merkel let in for Hamberg alone are responsible for almost half the crime in 2016.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9229/germany-lawlessness

It does. Just like it should give you pause that crimes by your Muslim immigrants Merkel has let in are being covered up.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/03/germany-muslim-migrant-crimes-concealed-to-prevent-prejudice

The fact you believe that without a shred of evidence should give you pause.

As it should being dependent for your natural gas by someone you have rightly labeled a dictator who has invaded your neighbors.

But it wont because TDS is too strong for you to look at the end of your own nose and what's happening in your own country.

 

It did and does but they were aligned with al Qaeda not acting on behalf of the SA government.
It did and does and we need better vetting for these underground terrorist who do such inflitrations.
I get more pause that Germany is attempting to align itself with such oppressive governments and enemies of the Untied States. They make their bed they sleep in it.

 

And look who you want to align with now.

 

Oh come on. Who wouldn't want to align with a country that murdered even more of its own people than Germany?

Especially when its controlled now by a well known dictator?

 

Were did the leader of Al Qaeda come, Saudi Arabia, were did the funding for his outfit come from, Saudi Arabia.
You should get some serious pause, that not only Germany but most of Europe is turning away from the US of Trump, because it behaves like a dictatorship.
It is China, Russia Germany, UK, France and the US who signed the treaty with Iran. It is the US, without consulting its co-signers which broke the contract. It is the US of Trump which questioned the article 5 of NATO, the only country to invoke article 5. It is the US of Trump, which started a trade war with its allies. It is the US of Trump which imposed sanction against Nord Stream 2, a German - Russian project.
Why not against Turk Stream a Russian Turkish project, just finished.
It is the US of Trump which would love to see the EU fail.

You wonder why all those countries move away from the US and look for new partners ?

With the US of Trump as a partner you do not need enemies, you have one as a partner

 

If all it takes to remove your loyalty is one president with a mouth and a propensity to hold you accountable for the funding you promised to give your friendship wasn't worth much to begin with.

 

Don't get shot down.

 

They exterminator 6 million Jews !

I welcome you to find a similarity that does not involve an act of war !

The Jews were not a country, and presented no. Danger to the Germans.

 

The US invoked Article 5 and its allies, like Germany came to its help.
German soldiers died and got wounded, because Germany took its responsibility and loyalty serious. The US of Trump spit into the face of those man, who gave all, because the US asked
Were is the loyalty, from the US of Trump. Have you ever heard, that the US honored, or even mentioned any of the soldiers who fell, because the US invoked 5.
Never, not one word. But the Moron stands before the Memorial of 911 at the NATO Headquarters in Brussels and rakes the Allies over the coals.
How about that.
The son of a friend with whom I served, fell in Afghanistan, German.
I carried the son of a friend, who fell in Iraq, US Ranger, the friend and I served together, US and German.

Don't question loyalty.
When it comes to loyalty the US is questioned, ask the Kurds in Syria, when the US turned them over to their worst enemy, the US soldiers left in a hail of rocks.

 

Turkey did the same, what do you think Turk Stream is all about ?

 

German economy is a social economy, that's why it works.
But tell me what the US has to sell to Germany, besides nothing, that is the problem.
Sadly the US has become nothing else besides a consumer market. That the US could do well is shown by the investment of German companies in the US and their products go into the US export. It is foreign owned companies, which keep the US export alive.
If it were not for the US subsided weapons exports, including Boeing, the US would have any industrial exports left.
Its rather sad.

 

And joined an independent terrorist groups and then formed his own he was not a member of the SA military. And what you are saying is that most of the European leaders are idiots. I tend to believe they don't like being held accountable and liked dealing with a President they could mold like silly putty. The US does not have to consult with anyone to back out of a treaty and I note now your precious European are reconsidering their own positions based on Iran's behavior and how good it would be to have these religious zealots out of power and an Iranian government elected by the people, no some sham rigged election, and cooler heads prevailing and wanting to join the rest of the civilized world.

If you and your fellow Europeans prefer a world with the radical Islamic's in control in Iran and Putin your ally instead of the US then let's dispel with NATO you can go your own way and we will prepare for the day your countries no longer exist and we have to face both threats on our own. And yes I realize you would like to see the US economy weakened and us subject to unfair trade practices. We don't care what you think. We have the strongest economy the world has ever seen so I don't think we should take advice from you.