Kim Jong Un warns that North Korea is running out of food

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  1. notme

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    I noted that Russia isn't blocked as hard as far as I know.
    NK isn't allowed to sell coal, textile and lumber. I do think Russia is allowed to do just that.
    That was your question.
     
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    Can’t Kim just place one huge takeout order from China ?
     
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    lmfao ... but even China is sick of North Korea's bullshit ... even Mao wasn't a deity ...
     
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    The sanctions are causing hardships on the country as they are intended to do. Being an outlaw has penalties.

    Nukes are the cause of the sanctions, not famine.

    The military exercises are defensive, not attack exercises. Any nukes that were in SK were under American control, part of that nuclear umbrella you speak of. That umbrella is why many of our allies don't need their own nukes. Kim has them now and has the same restrictions we all have, can't use them because it's crazy and suicidal to do so.
     
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    This is the penultimate peak of socialism
     
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    Sanctions are acts of war. That being said, shouldn't a socialist nation be sanctioning capitalism ones?
     
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    The people are not the outlaws, yet they are penalized into suffering from a famine.
    The blame lies on those who are penalizing the wrong people.

    The sanctions have no effect on the nuclear capabilities.

    Sure. defending exercises when nuked. Whatever lol
    It's one massive show of testing all your capabilities. Not just defense.

    So in a way Kim made sure there wouldn't be a war by leveling the playing field. There wouldn't be some insane chaos when the US go nuts again and attack a 3rd world country like Iraq, causing ISIS to spawn, getting 100,000's of people killed under their watch and millions to flee. The US is by far the biggest war mongering nation at the moment. If they started a war and win from NK who got 25 million people. It's any bodies wild guess who many million want to flee their miserie. I doubt SK got any kind of plan how to deal with 3 million refugees.
     
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    It's an outlaw country and the only way there would have been a war was if NK started it, like last time? Kim has never needed nukes.
     
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    Pff. You say that, while the US attacked a country over false accusations of having WMD capabilities.
     
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    I say that because it is absolutely true. Kim, NK has been the only aggressor on the Korean Peninsula.
     
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    And who determines whether N. Korea is an outlaw nation or not? Is it the nation that invaded Iraq illegally - invaded Serbia illegally - invaded Libya illegally - helped overthrow the president of Ukraine illegally - supported terrorists in Syria to overthrow its legal government and who burned its wheat fields, stolen its sheep and oil to starve the Syrian people?


    To get rid of the nukes would be suicidal for Kim without a security guarantee by Russia and without S. Korea ridding itself of the American troops and the Thaad missile defense system. As I said, Russia worked out a road map for Kim to get rid of his nukes without becoming vulnerable to the US. China and Germany were pleased with it, and Kim was considering it - but I don't think the US was willing to pull its troops and Thaad missile defense system out of the country.

    I don't know what the hold is that the US government has on S. Korea, because the people are petrified of a war knowing they'll be the victims. They elect whoever promises to kick the Americans out so they can better relations with the North, but once they get into office all the promises are thrown out the window.
     
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    Mao would be happily welcomed by the current day US leftist. Not welcomed by modern day Chinese
     
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    I don't recall this Kim who governs to have attacked any country at all. Your dragging in decades of history to be able to found this opinion on something.
    The US started plenty of wars / supported plenty of ruthless regime changes for the worst in all them decades.
     
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    So are you dragging in history. Kim is the head of the regime and that regime has the history.
    You have nothing to support your benign Kim theory.
     
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    He is not threatened, never has been. NK has always been the neighborhood bully. They have always chosen bullets over feeding their people.

    Kim will never just give up his nukes and none of the hero countries you list had any success in stopping his research. SK won't be kicking the Americans out any time soon, that's a Russian wet dream.
     
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    Oh, then we're not the bullies. What a relief, and here I thought our Thaads and our fleet roaming around their waters were to threaten and bully them. I guess we're just there as a good neighbor gesture.

    Only because Washington doesn't care, which means it really doesn't matter to our government whether Kim has nukes or not.




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    Money spent on “research” does impact food production. The money could be used to produce fertilizer. Instead, farmers have to steal each other’s feces and households are required to collect a yearly quota of human feces to supply the agricultural “industry” with fertilizer. It’s part of the reason internal parasites are so common in NK.
     
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    Pure nonsense. Iraq has a lot of places to buy things and to sell their oil. NK is basically a poor province of China which supplies them. That we don't trade with our enemies doesn't make us killers. Their leaders are their killers. They choose to be enemies of the U.S. They could have remained neutral. It was their choice. What part of being an enemy of a powerful country do you not understand?
     
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    Due to the global pandemic caused by China, North Korea and China closed their borders and suspend all trade in January 2020, cutting off all food imports from China. The food shortage in North Korea will be eased immediately, if North Korea opens its borders and starts importing foods and fertilizers from China again.
     
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    Nothing neighborly about it. We are there to keep an eye on a nuclear enemy that has threatened our interests with those nukes.



    It wouldn't matter if Kim didn't threaten us and South Korea with them. Take your country as an example. It has many more nukes than North Korea. Yet your government considers the nukes as defensive just as ours does. We keep an watch on you but you aren't as inimical as NK and Iran.
     
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    Which they will have to pay for unless the Chinese government sends a large part of the required food, fertilizer and fuel as aid in order to prevent the country from collapsing. That being far, far preferable to having to go in after it does collapse and try restore order. The Kim family's 'ace in the hole'. Give me stuff or your client State falls over.
     
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    If we sent 6 food ships into each of NK's major ports guarded by Russian Spetsnaz NK's government would collapse tomorrow. We won't do it because our Military-Industrial complex LOVES NK . Every time they rattle a sabre the pentagon gets another trillion dollars. NK is a cash cow for the Pentagon
     
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    Thaads are a missile defense system, but you know that don't you. Our ships and troops are there to support SK and other regional nations like Japan and you know that too.
     

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