Who is Causing the Mutations of COVID?

Wrong. It is always by random chance. The unvaccinated increase the probability of mutations due to higher number of infected. Environmental factors can increase or decrease probability of mutations. It is never a response to environmental factors

 

Not a reaction to the environment as that implies control of mutations

 

Delta variant has hit the UK the hardest. The vaccine has reduced hospital admissions and deaths by 95% as compared to the unvaccinated

 

In order to mutate a virus needs to be able to REPLICATE!

Polio and smallpox have been DENIED the ability to replicate via global VACCINATIONS therefore they CANNOT mutate!

FACTS matter!

 

Ever noticed how Science Denialists are quick to call others "delusional" without ever having the insight to comprehend that science denialism is self deluding?

 

Good idea to use the rabbit analogy so let's take it one step further.

The virus REPLICATES at a much higher rate than rabbits ergo there is more opportunity for mutations to occur which means adaption from "brown" to "white" occurs on a shorter timescale.

Given that there are millions of infected people at any point in time and the "viral load" among the unvaccinated is higher then it stands to reason that there would be more mutations among those with higher viral loads.

That does not eliminate the possibility of a harmful mutation occurring among the lower viral loads of those already vaccinated but if one was going to be placing bets then it would be a safer bet to back the higher viral load mutations than the lower viral loads.

So without actual specific data that establishes that it was DEFINITIVELY one or the other the OP is simply trying to POLITICIZE the mutation behavior of the virus for NEFARIOUS partisan gain.

 

If your argument held any water (which it doesn't) then we would expect to see a significantly higher case rate of variants in areas where vaccination rates are higher than in areas with low vaccination rates. In actuality, these variants are spreading significantly more in areas where there are lower vaccination rates

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...-variant-is-serious-heres-why-its-on-the-rise

Furthermore, virus variants are created by reproducing. Host immunity reduces variants since it prevents the virus from surviving and reproducing. The first thing you need to understand is a virus needs a host in order to survive, and it needs to reproduce in order to mutate. A virus can only outgrow immunity when it can reproduce and mutate faster than the host population is able to develop their immunity. Theoretically, partial immunity can cause a variant, but this still relies on hosts with a weaker immune system in order to reproduce and mutate, which it has a harder time doing when a higher percentage of the population are vaccinated.


I should also note that the delta variant was first discovered in India in October of 2020, the first person to be vaccinated in India was in January of 2020.

 

The vaccine doesn't kill the virus. The vaccine's spike protein-generated antibody binds to the spike protein used by SARS-Cov2 for cell entry. Thus, it "decorates" the virus spike protein and reduces the number of available "free" spike to such a low concentration that the virus cannot gain entry into cells, and is thus not able to replicate. In essence, the vaccine antibody competes with the ACE2 receptor for binding to the spike protein. The mutated virus spike protein binds to the ACE2 receptor more strongly, and to the antibody more weakly, thus reducing the ability of the vaccine antibody to displace it, unless the vaccine spike protein to create the antibody is also "mutated", i.e. a booster shot that contains the delta variant version of the spike protein. I see no other way forward than annual booster shots.

BTW: The same happens with natural immunity. The mutated spike protein evades the natural antibody block by binding more strongly to the ACE2 receptor but less strongly to the antibody.

 

To answer your question, NO "I" do not agree and neither do medical experts.

The COVID 19 virus started mutating in September 2020, "known as alpha and became the most comon version in the United Kingdom" https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...ew-strain-of-coronavirus-what-you-should-know

So, that was long before "the vaccine" was available. RNA virus's commonly "make mistakes" when replicating. ibid

"We can be optimistic because we have effective vaccienes ... that work against the varriants. " ibid

"Keep infection controll measures in place
WEAR MASKS
SOCIAL DISTANCING
AND ALL MEASURES THAT LIMIT THE SPREAD
VACCINATE AS MANY PEOPLE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE" ibid

In short your thesis is and Right Wing resistance to recomended controll measures are BALONEY.

 

You could think of it that way

 

What is important is the speed at which the virus mutates. For instance the flu viruses mutate rapidly so cannot be eradicated. Covid mutates slower but fast enough that it too cannot be eradicated.

 

Whose nether regions did you pull that allegation from?

 

Any mutation that bypasses this to some degree will develop in response to survival pressures.

 

There is a huge difference between developing and leaking through. You could drill a hole in your exhaust manifold and develop a tapping sound that resembles bad lifters, or a hole could form and leak naturally, the hole does not develop to fool you. You could put plastic bags on corn you like and rub the pollen on the silks of others, that is development, or plant Indian corn too close to Yellow corn and it leaks and you get a few colored Indian Kernels in the Yellow. Viruses naturally mutate and then leak, the survivor simply has a chance to give Sydney Australia or San Francisco a rise in cases, they don't need Trump or DeSantis, it doesn't develop to hurt them, it just leaked there after it survived.

 

From the scientific standpoint (of which I am an ardent student but not a qualified expert) mutation takes place on a random basis all the time- then what works out of the variety that results survives and becomes more dominant. What does not simply fades away. It's not a mechanism of strategy where reason points to need and the choice is engineered.
The only species where this is not true is humans, who are foolish enough to protect and actually propagate people with anti-social and self-destructive tendencies- then wonder why we have so many of them.We have to blame somebody or something for this stupidity; we refuse to acknowledge that we have done it to ourselves as a group. Must be aliens, or some evil leader or disagreeable person who won't follow the instructions from the MSM or the gods of social media.

Now if we are going to blame just for the sake of abusing people, I say let's blame Biden. Trump's already been blamed for everything right or wrong; why should Biden be different? Besides, lacking the capacity to reason and foresee consequences of what he's doing, he may well have pushed the wrong button on the environmental control panel in the oval office and called for a mutated virus when he meant to be asking for more scented toilet paper.

 

This is true. However, I believe the current hypothesis is for mutations developing through survival pressures in an individual organism, rather than within the population. Once the host immunity develops, the virus WILL be eventually eliminated by this host. This leaves only a limited time for the virus (maybe 1-2 weeks) to mutate during an active infection. The idea is that there were individual hosts who could not eliminate the virus for even months, so they remained infective, while also not dying. This gave the virus enough time to mutate and form variants that are better able to infect cells. I believe there is evidence that the Brazilian variant developed in this way, and the individual is known. However, I don't have time right now to search for the citation.

 

It’s called science.

 

This is similar to my throwaway post where I wrote that those vaccinated should thank the unvaccinated for being the guinea pigs that will allow the virus to eventually mutate into a form that is relatively harmless which is our end goal if we want to stop the need for regular vaccines.

 

You FAILED to provide any relevant "science" to support your allegation AGAIN!

 

You fail to support yours.

 

Asinine non sequitur response!

Sad!

 

It's like Street Craps, my father played till he lost, because it was in his best interest not to leave the train car too rich, here instead of relatively harmless we got Delta. At some point even the most puritan in cleanliness will get tired of lockdowns and masks or go Tic ToK nuts making money with "pictures with freaks." Somewhere out there is a motorcycle part I ordered in May, if this thing doesn't go harmless quick we are screwed.

 

Thanks for the good response.

 

Mutate is basically what viruses do. Some more so than others. Flu for instance does so at break neck speed which is why you need a new vaccine every year. Polio on the other hand scarcely seems to change at all. Covid is in between. And the changes it makes are not apparently as effective camouflage as those for the flu.

 

To be fair, smallpox may be/probably is mutating. It is still used for researching antivirals, and when cultured and used to infect animals would certainly mutate—hopefully totally harmlessly. In 2004 a bunch of macaques were “successfully” killed by infecting them with variola.

Another interesting fact, vials of smallpox (variola) are discovered outside of the two “legal” storage/research locations from time to time. Six vials were discovered in an FDA lab in 2014 that had been there since the 1950’s when the lab was run by the NIH precursor.

But yes, in human populations (hopefully) smallpox is done mutating.