Ahmaud was murdered

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Patricio Da Silva, Nov 23, 2021.

  1. LangleyMan

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    Not in this universe.
     
  2. LangleyMan

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    Agreed. Rittenhouse should never have been put on trial and the McMichaels should be convicted or murdering Arbery.

    BTW, I wouldn't vote for Trump on a bet.
     
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    The media makes erroneous assumptions? Yikes! Who knew?
     
  4. Adfundum

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    Just playing with the idea of being armed and citizen's arrest--Suppose that Arbery had a gun and was on the property because he thought someone was stealing things and was going to make an arrest. How would that change how we see this case?
     
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    I dont think anyone has any obligation to comply with a citizens arrest. As I understand it, if you witness a felony, you can try to arrest the perp and take them straight to a LEO ...but if they arent found guilty, you could become the criminal for having obducted/detained them. If they are found guilty, perhaps a charge would be added on for resisting arrest, but I really doubt it.

    I dunno how two people arresting eachother would work. Seems to me the one who initiates the arrest would be more than happy for the other person to take them to the police, since that achieves the only goal of a citizens arrest. I figure these days the police just take them both into custody anyway until some evidense exists of who is actually the criminal.
     
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  6. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    What part of 'I listened to both arguments' gives you this idea?

    IN fact, I knew nothing of the case, all I did was listen to the closing arguments.

    therefore, the person who seems to have made up his mind before the facts are known about me is you.

    It also is logical that someone whose avatar is 'libhater' has made up his mind before facts are known.

    Your mind has been made up on a number of fronts, it seems.

    You avatar tells us that you are the quintessence of prejudgement.

    Therefore, you are not one to talk.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    then why did they bring guns? There was no evidence the man was armed, not in the recorded videos of him at the construction sight, nothing about him that could have told them he was stealing anything, nothing about him led them to believe he was ever armed.

    The only thing the videos they had of him, taken by the construction site security cameras, was that he was trespassing, and afterwards, would jog away.

    With that, they pursued him with guns.

    I'd say there is evidence of premeditated murder.
     
  8. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is why I said 'not at issue', as in, she didn't raise the race card.

    But, since there were other suspects, white, they went after the black guy and killed him, that is the only reason I posed the question.

    As for:

    My concern is related to how much authority we are willing to give to those who may not be best suited to "police" us.

    As I understand it, vigilantism is illegal.

     
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    Do we (the public in general) see a difference between vigilantism and citizens' arrest?
     
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    I haven't taken the time to look it up, but I'm thinking that each state takes a little different approach to how (and if) a citizen's arrest is done. I'm just trying to work things out in my mind, and that's leading to this muddy area between self-defense, citizen's arrest, and use of deadly force. Like I said previously, it has the potential to get out of hand in today's world.
     
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    Prepare to be disappointed. Who is going to celebrate the death of a guy who was killed during the commission of a crime?
     
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    Were you unaware the Kyle's father lived there or that he was employed there? I know, facts, but are we just supposed to hide in fear from your mob?
     
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    It had nothing to do with you listening to both sides of the argument, rather, it has to do with you having concluded that the 3 white men were guilty of murder--just like the obvious mindset of the prosecutors having already made up their minds that the 3 men are guilty.


    How so? The fact is that you yourself said the defendants are guilty of aggravated assault and murder. So do you still say that I am making up facts about you that are yet unknown? LOL!

    Could you point to the exact quote of mine concerning this particular topic where I stated a so-called fact before a fact was known?

    You never did tell us whether you were one of the many if not all leftists that pre-judged the Rittenhouse case by calling him a white supremacist and had him guilty as charged for murder. C-mon man, be honest here, did you pre-judge Rittenhouse as being guilty of murder?

    Ahh, finally, you got something right. Yes, I have indeed pre judged my imagined world where those that support liberalism are no where to be found in America.
     
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    Guilty verdicts all around. May these hillbillies never breathe free air again.
     
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    @Rampart
    Where are the celebrating trumpists?
    It seems to me they all agree on the guilty verdict
    Unlike the left, we have this thing called “morals” and most of us do not engage in grave dancing
     
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    Justice ****ing served!
     
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    Look who's disappointed now.

    He wasn't killed in the commission of a crime. He was killed by someone while THEY were in the commission of a crime.
     
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    Are you going to start debating any of the Trumpists in this thread who have argued against a guilty verdict? No? Didn't think so.

    Both of you engage in grave dancing. With enthusiasm. You are no different in that respect. You are exactly the same.
     
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    So, say 12 of his peers.
     
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    You seem not to be able to read the words that were written. I'm happy, and wrote it that the defendants were convicted. Sorry that you didn't understand the words and context. But fear not, Justice has been served.
     
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    And you were wrong on both counts.
     
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    As I don't read minds I don't know if there is a racial component. Given the history of Georgia, one could be forgiven for making that assumption. However a Jury of 11 Caucasians and one Blackman just demonstrated that those days are well and truly in the past and frankly good riddance to bad rubbish. Now if we can just convince leftist to let the dead past stay dead...
     
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  23. Patricio Da Silva

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    There are federal hate crime charges pending, against these three.

    I think the 9/11 call: 'what is your emergency' and caller saying 'there's a black man running down the road'

    had something to do with it.
     
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    Not exactly prima facie evidence.
     
  25. Phyxius

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    The twelve rational jurors think that's bullshit...
     

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