Abortion ban amendment shot down in Kansas doesn't bode well for Repubss

Americans need to eat more pasta?

 

It's on the ballot. Vote Red, more government interference on women's health decision to give birth, doctors fear prosecution.

Vote Blue, no government interference and doctors can help women without fear of prosecution.

 

Neither is it spelled out that you can purchase a gun.

Tell me that is a right 'enumerated' in the constitution? However, It's implied, which is what 'penumbra' means.

Scotus ruled that the right of privacy is a penumbra right granted by the first amendment. A woman's right to privacy of health decisions would include any decisions arising out of her privacy, such as abortion. That is very logical thinking. RGB complained, but it's not that it can't be based on penumbra, she wanted it expanded to other amendments. Still, it can stand on penumbra reasoning, alone. This court could have made Roe stronger, and expanded as RGB wanted, but no, they weren't just satisfied ruling on Dobbs, they had to repeal Roe in it's entirety. they was nothing about Dobbs that required SCOTUS repealing Roe, nothing, but they had to kow tow to their appointers, the Federalist Society, who raised millions used to promote their appointments.

Same goes for purchasing of guns, though neither are 'spelled out'.

there are thousands of penumbra rights that would be cumbersome to have listed them all in the constitution. The framers honestly believed in the concept of sensible men of good faith intentions wouldn't need every damn little thing spelled out for them. But, they didn't portend a guy like Trump who would exploit anything that isn't spelled out to some hard right ideologue advantage.

 

No she doesn't. Having an abortion is not 'abdicating personal responsibility"... it's exercising it.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
No, having sex is not a crime punishable by loss of rights.




OH DO PLEASE SHOW THE LAW AGAINST HAVING SEX AND THE PUNISHMENT...

an OPINION is NOT the law.

I never brought up "you can't have sex"....I never said that ....you did to escape addressing the actual contents of the post you quoted.

YUP you can always have an abortion....being FORCED to gestate is being punished for having sex...


Can you ADDRESS the following or will you continue to dodge:

having sex is not a crime punishable by loss of rights.




OH DO PLEASE SHOW THE LAW AGAINST HAVING SEX AND THE PUNISHMENT...

an OPINION is NOT the law.

 

Yup, I still don't see the connection between "free market society " and human rights being taken away...

 

NO, having sex and getting pregnant are NOT CRIMES....punishable by loss of rights.


SHOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE CRIMES

 

Of course overreach and abuse of power come in many levels. Just because they weren't capturing people and restraining them while they injected them with trump juice, doesn't mean heavy handed measures weren't taken.

Your support for mandates equals support for all other abuses of power by government, including abortion laws.

Banning abortion does not force women to give birth. It simply interferes with her life.

Rights are only as good as ones ability to defend them. Denying a woman her second amendment rights denies her the ability to defend her right to bodily autonomy against a rapist/killer.

If you support one abuse, you support all.

 

???? They had to repeal Roe, because the Mississippi statute limiting abortion to the first 15 weeks of pregnancy, conflicted with Roe's holding that during the first two trimesters, there is a constitutional right to abortion and that states can only regulate abortions in the 3rd trimester.

 

The cause of your confusion may be that no human rights have been taken away from anyone, and so I made no such connection.

 

Kansas is a 2 to 1 Republican state. Abortion, as a campaign issue for Democrats, is now a dud.

 

It has medicinal purposes for releasing stress, it's good exercise, and gets the blood flowing. For some people it's nessessary to avoid bouts of anxiety, or suicidal thoughts along with suppressing other mental issues some people deal with. Helps with concentration...many many medicinal benefits.

In other words, some people need it., but shouldn't have children. Unfortunantly some woman who need it can't take birth control either so rely on an honest partner.

https://www.ohsu.edu/womens-health/benefits-healthy-sex-life#:~:text=Better immune system,Decreased depression and anxiety

 

There is no constitutional right to abortion, that's what SCOTUS decided.

But the left can't appreciate that, they think all GOP folks are anti-abortion zealots. Therefore if solidly red Kansas stop changes to their abortion laws it means they are rebelling against them. But it means no such thing, they are just exercising their voting rights, what the SCOTUS always intended.

 

You misspelled liberty.
The castle doctrine is a thing.

 

Im not reaching for anything .. .. I have no claim on the table justifying anything .. you are off in loopy land .. making up nonsense false accusations in some grand effort to divert from the fact that it is your claim which is on trial .. a claim up in flames .. shown to be pure nonsense .. but on the basis of which - you wish to force your religious beliefs on others through physical violence .. just like the Islamist Jihadist.

Who is the one justifying murder here .. then projecting their actions onto others.. Not me .. as I have only commented on your nonsensical claims .. inferring that taking a dump in the morning is murder .. and not realizing what it is you were saying.

What a joke of an attempt at an argumen - followed up by one big strawman fallacy concurrent with projection when shown the error of your ways

Is that the best you have to offer mate .. in defense of your desire to use physical violence to force your extremist and deluded religious beliefs onto others through physical violence .. Strawman fallacy and projection ?

 

I did no such thing. Or should I nip down to target and purchase an atom bomb over the counter?

 

TT does not seem to understand the "Potential Argument" ..... that the potential that a human might be created/ exist in the future has value

an argument TT is desperately trying to make .. but failing miserably. All sides agree that a zygote is not a "person" - "Child" - "Baby" in this argument .. but that the potential conveys the rights of personhood ..

TT 's claim "it will become an Adult at some point in the future" . and thus makes this murder .. as it makes the zygote a "baby" .. is fallacious nonsense on steroids .. claiming what all sides agree is not the case .. that just because something might be something in the future --- doesn't make it that thing in the present.

And so even if a Zygote did have a chance at transforming into a human .. your claim is still false .. but it doesn't so false x 2

Falsehood on top of fallacy .. as the zygote no more than the sperm .. transformes - "Becomes" a human. That's just not how the process happens . biologically .. which I know rather well being a Environmental Microbiological Specialist .. with a degree in Chemistry on the side.

but .. this is fine . your just wrong .. someone been feeding you falsehood .. what gets me .. is you wanting to force your disturbing religious beliefs on others .. through physical violence .. on the basis of this falsehood and fallacy .. that is what I find most disturbing .. just like the Islamists .. same ideology .. just different religious label..

Is that what Jesus is preaching these days ? Walk like an Egyptian --- Salafi Islamist .. that it mate .. what is it you pushing

 

Vote Blue, have cross dressing pedophile males in your daughters shower room.
Vote Blue, have drag queens transing your kids at the local library.
Vote Blue, have sick teachers teaching your 5 year all about how they really aren't the gender they think they are.
Vote Blue, get locked down, get mandatory experimental shots, get masked and burn the economy to the ground.
Vote Blue, pay 10 dollars a gallon for gas.
Vote Blue, enjoy the inflation.
Vote Blue, start another war for no American interest.
Vote Blue, get prosecuted for protecting your home or business.
Vote Blue, and unleash the criminal element on your town with no consequences for them.
Vote Blue, and see racist policies against whites enacted in law (6 times and counting for Biden).
Vote Blue, and watch China rise while the American middle class is evaporated.
Vote Blue, and enjoy the greatest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the oligarchs in American history.
Vote Blue, and watch all power concentrated to the federal government and their bureaucrats..... a necessary component for every totalitarian government that existed in human history.

The Republicans are awful but at least they pretend that they care about America. The Democrats actually run on open hatred of whites, straight people, the rule of law and the WASP culture that created the greatest civilization in human history.

 

You've demonstated your lack of morals repeatedly. I'm not surprised by your feigned outrage when you're called out, there is no defense for your arguments.

 

I know you have no defense for my arguments .. last post falsehood and strawman fallacy .. this post more of the same .. albeit you admit your lack of defense which was good.

So for review

Now you claim "Lack of Morals" building another strawman .. with no substantiation .. so that I know not what morals you are claiming I lack ?

You then accuse me of "feigned outrage" outraged not the best word .. Offense would be a better word -- I supposed I could be accused of being offended by your Islamist ideology .. wanting to force extremist religious beliefs on others through physical violence .. I guess I do find such ideology somewhat offensive to be sure .. as did the founders ..

Either way .. don't be projecting your amoral desires onto me mate .. what have I done that is amoral .. did you think me calling out your amoral extremist beliefs was amoral .. .. is that why your desperately trying to paint me with your detestable beliefs .. NO Sir .. I will have none of it .. keep that amoral filth away from me .. not buying what you are selling.

 

They need to have better healthcare for lower income groups.

 

The cause of your confusion is that you can't/won't/don't see the loss of bodily autonomy as a right....but I bet if it was taken from YOU you would object.

 

Oh ok now your pivoting to "potential". A child is only going to "potentially" reach adulthood.

Try again.


Lol

Easy W

 

Wow, more fake outrage.

Killing babies isn't an easy case to make, is it? But, keep trying.

 

You seem confused.
A fetus is not a baby till it can function as a baby. Aka survive and exercise rights independently, be born.
It's a fetus till its excluded from being a fetus.

Now you can identify your fetus as a baby, but that's a personal decision. Are you for the law giving privlages to how people identify?

GIving a fetus privlages though still doesn't give it the right to impeded on a woman's Liberties.
When you defend your self do you care if the entity has a heart beat?