Pro-Palestinian protesters shout ‘Allahu akbar’ outside of World Trade Center site

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  1. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    My response to both questions is to find and execute the perpetrators, not destroy the entire ethnicity..
     
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    That sound very easy. Tell us more about how you would do that.
     
  3. Egoboy

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    No clue.. but unlike the current Israeli govt, I'd have interest in finding and discussing options..
     
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    Then you'd be wrong, since it means eliminating all Jews from one side of Israel to the other side of Israel. River to sea. The borders. And considering HAMAS states that its actual goal is killing all the jews, how can you "disagree"? They don't mince words you know=) Their goal is KILL JEWS. That's what they did, murdered Jews in their homes, burned babies in ovens, dragged corpses through the streets, shot innocent people. Its like saying you disagree that 1+1=2. Doesn't matter if you think it equals 3. You're just wrong. If I said I disagree that the KKK were racist, that would make me ignorant of facts, wouldn't it? Of course.

    Your interpretations of words means nothing. All that matters are easily demonstrated and documented facts. "From the River to the Sea" is a terrorist antisemitic battle cry, just like a Jihadist yelling "God is Great". That's a call for DEATH!!! And doing it at the site where Terrorists actually killed 1000s of people is celebrating that death. Its INSANE!!! I hope every face there is documented and if these scum have jobs, they're fired instantly. If you don't understand what these words mean, I don't what to tell you. And by admitting you don't understand this, its quite worrisome. I truly hope you don't have Jewish friends or coworkers.

    And the land was never "theirs". Whatever they think was theirs, was lost.
     
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    I think that they've been doing that for decades with no luck. Sorry, but when the people allow terrorists to hide in their homes, in their schools, in their hospitals, then you get no sympathy from me.
     
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    I never made I either one of those claims so I think you might be confused about who you're quoting..... It's almost like people don't want to hear your opinion but they want to hear their opinion coming from your mouth.
     
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    Here look into buying a pair:

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    No he actually summarizes the following position you do not want to acknowledge or discuss because it won't fit your simplistic underdog v.s. Zionist demon formula:

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/israel/2023/11/the-irrelevance-of-proportionality/

    https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/on-strategy-law-and-morality-in-israel-s-gaza-operation

    https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2021/05/20/israel-confronts-tehrans-terror-proxies-in-gaza/


    Let's be clear the tactic of equating Hamas to the IDF or Israel's right to defend itself has been used by pro Hamas and pro Muslim extremist terrorist supporters on this forum over and over every time Hamas or for that matter any Muslim extremist terrorist group engages in terror to deflect from that terror and the fact that the moral culpability flows directly from the choice of terrorists to use their citizens as shield to die, deliberately as a political, psychological and military tool.

    The tactic of ignoring the choice of using civilians to die as shields is the key to the false moral equivalency test-it requires we deflect from and ignore what Hamas did to precipitate and enable the death of both their own and Israeli citizens and most importantly engage in the following assumption-that ANYTHING the IDF does is the same as what Hamas does.

    The IDF and Israel unlike Hamas and Muslim extremist terrorists:

    1-do not hold Gaza civilians as hostages
    2-they do not build tunnels in Israel and locate its military, residential, religious, medical, government institutions on top of those tunnels and then use those totals to invade Gaza
    3-the IDF/Israel do not initiate rocket attacks into Gaza
    4-the IDF/Israel does not send in soldiers to Gaza dressed as civilians to kill civilians and torture and rape them
    5-Israel and the IDF do not have a charter calling for a world Jewish religious council to run it and calling for the extermination of all Muslims as phase 1 of this exercise
    6-Israel/the IDF do not fail to recognize the right of Palestinians to a second Muslim state other than Jordan unlike Hamas, Hezbollah and Muslim extremists who do NOT believe any Jew has the right to own land let alone have their own state
    7-Israel attempted 4 times to sign and observe peace treaties with the PA while Hamas refused and says in its charter there can only be war no peace
    8-the PA like Hamas states it will NEVER accept a Jewish state anywhere in the West Bank or Israel like Hamas and that terror is an acceptable means to achieve this goal
    9-there is NOT one alleged Muslim terrorist who acknowledges the right of Jews to exist in a Jewish state
    10-Israel does not most importantly target all Muslims for death across the globe as Hamas does with Jews.

    So the moral equivalence argument is a phacking joke. It is part of the fiction on this and many forums to pretend Hamas is just acting reasonably in defence and if it were not for stupid Jews insisting on a state the world would have no Muslim extremist terrorists.
     
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    So can Christians around the world protest, threaten, vandalize and assault anything black, African or Islamic? If not, why not, because that's what's happening to Jews and a whole lot of people seem fine with it. I'll bet no one has heard of the Christian massacre in Nigeria, but if they were Muslims being slaughtered...

    World looks other way as Christians 'killed for sport by jihadists' in Nigeria

    JOHANNESBURG — A never-ending massacre of Christians being "killed for sport" is reportedly happening in Nigeria, yet the world appears to be largely deaf to the matter.

    While much of the world this week has been celebrating a beginning – Christmas, the birth of Jesus Christ – in Nigeria they are mourning the end of life – the deaths of more than 100 Christians – as the world remains virtually silent.

    Armed bandits ran amok, according to Amnesty International, in some 20 communities across central Nigeria, killing more than 140. In a country where accurate statistics are traditionally hard to come by, some sources have put the death toll closer to 200.
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    More than 52,000 Christians "have been butchered or hacked to death for being Christians" since 2009 in Nigeria, according to Intersociety, a civil society group based in Onitsha.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/world-looks-other-way-christians-killed-sport-jihadists-nigeria
     
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  10. Egoboy

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    I'd say using the word 'allow' there might be a solid generalization..
     
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    If you lived in 19th and early 20th century America, what would you have thought about southern citizens who supported the KKK and lynchings? That where we are with these Palestinian “victims.” They support what Hamas did on October 7, and if an election were held in Gaza, they would vote for Hamas again.

    This demonstration at the World Trade Center with the participants shouting “Allahu Akbar!” was insensitive to the families of the 3,000 victims of the 9/11 attack, and totally politically stupid. It’s like these people want the general public to hate them and their cause.
     
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    1. Not much
    2. Complete assumption on your part. You got a Rasmussen poll or something?
    3. Agree
     
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    The “not much” comment is disappointing from one who claims to be a liberal progressive. In his book, Teddy and Booker T., Brian Kilmead, a conservative Fox News commentator, wrote that lynchings in the South ran at a rate of one every other day in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

    As for the “complete assumption” comment, I do read the news. Others agree with “assumption” based on the facts. Palestinians are thought to hate Jews from a young age, just as White southerners were a century ago.
     
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  14. Joe knows

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    I don’t think so. They should attack in a manner that wins. They are clearing places out on foot as well. To deny them an arm of their military is asinine.
     
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    They are not destroying the entire ethnicity. If they had that goal their would be no warnings given, and went in there shooting the way Hams went in Israel shooting anything that had a breath.
     
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    The only option given to them by the world community is a ceasefire. How is that even an option?
     
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    So not true... Israel has complete control over their pacing and targets, should they decide that warp speed and random targeting isn't winning them any support...
     
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    I said given to them by the world community. If you listen to the people who are screaming the loudest they all… as in everyone of them…. Want ceasefire. None of them except for the United States and smaller random votes in the UN are giving them the reign for any sort of defense.
     
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    Let me give you a brief current geopolitical lesson....

    Ukraine is on defense.

    Israel was justified to be on defense early on, to secure their border and probably create some sort of DMZ in Gaza to make their border inaccessible, but they are now fully on Offense. To claim otherwise at this stage is pretty ludicrous...
     
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    I agree they are on offense but the enemy has not been destroyed. Until it is destroyed a ceasefire is absolutely moronic and just begging for Hamas to attack them again. It’s their obligation not desire but obligation to destroy the threat to their citizens. That’s what a government is for. Unless your Hamas who would rather put their citizens at risk
     
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    Did you hear the announcement from Hamas, after Israel began their offensive, that they were going to attack Israel again and again until they have killed all of the Jews?

    Hamas hates with an intensity that probably exceeds that the KKK has had for people of color. If “Negros stayed in their place and weren’t uppity,” most of Klansmen left them alone. Hamas wants all of the Jews dead, just like Nazis. People who demonstrate for Hamas are bigots or idiots. That includes a lot of very misinformed college students.
     
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    Why do you think that Israel is wasting it's missles on "random" targets?
     
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    So you believe that Hamas has stopped firing rockets at random targets?
     
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    Because it's cheaper and quicker than using guided missiles. Israel's aim is to make Gaza inhospitable so as to drive all Palestinians into Egypt or death
     
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    I would have thought that highly unlikely (on a relative scale) in October. Now it seems to be an option.
     

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