Pro-Palestinian protesters shout ‘Allahu akbar’ outside of World Trade Center site

KKK are against Catholics and Jews !!!!!
Koons, ***** and Katholics. It may not be a church but ones religion is important to the Klan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
Their primary targets are African Americans, Hispanics, Jews,[41][42][43][44][45] Latinos, Asian Americans, Native Americans,[46] Italian Americans, Irish Americans, and Catholics, as well as immigrants, leftists, homosexuals,[47][48][49][50] Muslims,[51][52][53] atheists,[29][30][31][32] and abortion providers

 

Again, projectionism by you and now you are trying to make this personal by you. You are deflecting from the main issues here that we are discussing, again all by you and no one else.

 

How do you explain Muslims who are informants to the FBI to report possible terrorism activities? How do you account Muslims who have taken to the media to condone such acts? The problem is you are citing the same verses that terrorist use out of context than you are doing with Christian texts.

Let me explain here, from the Bible: I Corinthians 13:33-35, " As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church." This is the interpretation in whih some Churches use this passage to first not allow women in leadership positions of churches, and that women for a long time, had no rights to own property, voting rights, etc. This passage was used extensively when the Woman's March began in the early 20th Century in the USA. That is the literal interpretation.

Then we have this passage in the OT: Deuteronomy 20: 16-18, "However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God." It is clear that God ordered them to be destroyed right? And they ocuppied and some of them still occupy the land of what is called Canaan, or Palestine as now it is called. So, should Israel, which follows the Torah that Deuteronomy is part of, be literal in this sense?

Or how about King David, Psalms 144:1 "Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle."

These passages and more show that God is a God of War as well, killing all who occupy "the promised land." Christians do the same thing and we rationalize violence with the "just war theory" that has changed the attitudes of Christians over the past two centuries.


Christians used to support Slavery in the Bible, specifically using Romans 13 and Ephesians 5 as their reference point.

the point is that if we take the Bible literally, God is a God of War and Love. If we take the Quran literally, Christians and Jews are brothers and Sisters of the book while everyone else is not.

Yes, both sides misinterpret the religious books of their faith. We have Christian terrorists but Americans tend to make excuses more than conviction to acknowledge that truth. Yet, those very same Americans expect Muslims to do the same, which some have done, quite publicly I might add from time to time. Islam is a very complicated religion that uses a combination of assimilation of other cultures, history, and attitudes towards the Islamic faith. and then we have the Sunni and the Shia, two major sects that have been at war with each other since Mohammed has died. The issue with Islam is with the hadiths, interpretations of what Mohammed has meant and why that is the cause of most of the conflicts today.

 

Like I said, they dont follow a strict literal interpretation of Islam. Just as there are christians who hate their neighbors and do unto others in a way that they wouldnt want anyone to do unto them. Their actions are in spite of their religion, not because of it.

Yeah, they are following a strict literal interpretation of the bible. Youre demonstrating my point.

Ephesians 2
15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

Hebrews 8
13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Romans 10
4Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.(*)

Romans 7
6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

2 Corinthians 3
13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. 14But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.

Galatians 3 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[h] that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law

The bible has the more intolerant, violent old testament and the more peaceful, tolerant new testament. Just as the Koran has the more peaceful, old Meccan verses and the newer, more intolerant and violent Medinan verses.

 

??? And you find convert or die acceptable because they are given a chance to accept Islam before being killed. You a Muslim?

 

I didn't even feel the need to speak to you until you've sat here and professed that you can tell people what books they have and haven't read.

And now for you to sit here and accuse me of projection is the ultimate in irony squared... Especially for anyone who is familiar with any degree of your posting. I should go back and include highlighted in this post every single personal thing you have said about another poster in the last several days but I have neither the time nor the interest. We could even start with just the last 12 hours of your post


So you tell me something.... If I sit here and tell a poster with 100% certainty that they have or haven't read a book.... Would that be an example of me making it personal?

A simple yes or no will be sufficient here.

 

Personally, I don't care to get preached at by anyone, even in a debate.
I've not seen anything good come from Islam. Only bad and horribly bad.
That's really all I need to know.

 

You're summarizing Netanyahu's position, but i doubt you can reference his positions with his statements in full context.

Also... why are you ignore this:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...-palestinians-will-not-leave-gaza-2023-10-14/


Like always, Hamas is hiding behind citizens and then crying foul.

 

???

In the past, when Palestinians evacuated due to war, Israel simply stole their homes, their land, their possessions.

That's a constant pattern. There are refugee camps full of Palestinians who have lost everything to Israel. And, Israel even bombs THEM, because being alive is just too much for Israel to allow.

NOW you wonder why civilians won't step aside to accommodate Israeli ethnic cleansing???

You REALLY aren't even starting to think this through yet.

 

That's a result of war. When hamas, or any other Islamic extremist group, attacks Israel they usually take control of terrority as the victor.

The goal of the war in Russia is no different.

You would think that if a group of people keep poking at their enemy, and each time they lose land, control, lives, and liberty... that they would stop doing that.

But they dont. As they did it again recently and once again are feeling the repurcussions.

Hyperbole.

Hamas doesn't let them leave because they think hiding behind civilians like cowards will prevent retaliatory action.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I could ask you the same.

 

Hamas has NEVER taken land from Israel, and there is no chance that they ever will.

It's Israel that has taken land from Palestine over and over again as they bulldoze the homes of Palestinians and usurp the government of Palestine IN PALESTINE!!

As for Russia - YES they are transgressors, too. Why would you compare Israel to Russia?

Israel has "poked" Gaza every single day for the last DECADES.

Why do you think the people of Gaza will sit by when they are starved and bombed? Why do you think they would be willing to live with no commerce?

There are REASONS why Israel's actions over those decades are defined as war. In a war, it isn't always one side that takes a hit.

This is pure sophistry. There is no place for Palestinians to go in Gaza. There never has been.

And, Israel makes SURE of that. Every place Palestinians have gone in Gaza, Israel drops bombs to slaughter them.

Israel drops bombs on people living in desperation in refugee camps.

Israel is the one who slaughters thousands of children.

Israel claims to be going after Hamas. But, the death toll is civilian, NOT Hamas. Israel doesn't even bother to determine whether those the kill are hostages!

 

Funny... I said "any other Islamic terrorist group"... you changed that to just Hamas. Because you know Arabs have been attacking Jewish settlements trying to steal their land since the beginning of time.

Hamas is just really bad at achieving their desires.

Oh yeah? Can you please post a map of this internationally recognized country of Palestine?

The land as they define as Palestine just so happens to overlap with Israel and the country of the jews.

The people they have been trying to exterminate off the land since... forever.

Ironically, Israel IS a nationally recognized country.

I'm not, I'm comparing them to Islamic terrorist groups.

Trying to portray Palestinians and Gaza as this victim is just silly and requires willful defiance of history. Even when they just got done attacking Israel, you excuse it. Because you don't want to admit the historical facts.

And there it is. Defending terrorism. Disgusting.

You mean the constantly shrinking boarders of Gaza due to their continued failed attempts to attack Israel?

They should probably stop doing that.

Desperation because of their historical aggression against Israel and inability to actually fight and win.

Hamas is hiding behind civilians and preventing them from leaving. Because they are cowards. Always have been, always will be, and likely is the reason they keep losing.

 

Really!!!

Palestinians haver their land stolen by settlers with the force of Israel's military.

And, you're upset that the Palestinians OBJECT???

Seriously???

 

I still hold out hope that Queers for Palestine will set up a base of operations in the West Bank.

 

LOL. I think you are specifically targeting certain verses in the Quran for your own political purposes. Kefir is the word used here, which applies to the the polytheistic groups in the Arabian peninsula. Second, Christians and Jews are "brothers and sisters" of the book, which is the "strict" interpretation you are referring to. And the verses of one action is always followed by a verse of another action. Finally, you are failing in your argument because you said "Muslims" follow the Strict interpretation and yet there are plenty of Muslims you are now acknowledging who are not. So much for the guilty-by-associaiton argument you tried to make here.

LOL, not really. Maybe certain verses in the OT, but not in the NT when it talks about "turning the other cheek" and other verses about war. Peter and Paul have written about this. But we can have verses about slaves obeying their masters, wives submitting to their husbands, and so forth, all of which have been used, abused, and so forth. Even the "mark of cain" was interpreted by the Southern Baptist Association to mean black people, and the equally yoked verse was interpreted that Whites should not marry nonwhites by those in the past. that is not a strict interpretation that is the exact opposite, which you are demonstrating in every post in this thread.

So, what is "the law" in your view here? Is it the Torah, circumcision, the 600-plus commandments in the Book of Leviticus and Deuteronomy?

I don't think you understand what the NT means to Christianity, its entire purpose and that is Christ fulfilled the law, and he became the law, by his sacrifice on the Cross that even though all have sinned and come short to the Glory of God, that Christ is the sacrificial lamb in which we can enter heaven. We are not saved by works, but by faith, and God's message is love. Love can be tolerant or intolerant depending on how you interpret how we love one another. Again, misquoting the Bible to suit your political purposes. Thus, how one is tolerant or intolerant is based on one's interpretation, which is what you are arguing with your political agenda.

For Islam, it believes Christ was a great prophet, and so was Moses. But that Mohommed is the prophet of Allah/God/Yehweh. it is a works-based religion, much like Judaism and all other religions on this earth.

 

Without Islam, all the great antiquities would have been lost forever. They were the ones who saved all the great artworks and other antiquities while Christians typically burned them down in the Dark Ages. What is happening today is not religion or a religious war, it is power-hungry people who use religion, in some cases, Islam, and in other cases Christianity, for their political purposes. Posters like Dixon have a perverted view of what the Quran says just as much as some atheists have a perverted view of what the bible says. And neither atheists nor posters like Dixon don't know hills from beans of what the other religions say or don't say even though they have had their extremists as well.

 

Yes, I agree but that was then and this is now. Today's Islam has been destroying ancient monuments and blowing people up. Islamic countries keep their people in the 17th century except with AK-47s and instead of promoting education, limit it.

 

Im using the verses that are relevant to the topic of discussion.

Nope
Kafir (Arabic: كافر, romanized: kāfir; plural كَافِرُونَ kāfirūna, كفّار kuffār or كَفَرَة kafarah; feminine كافرة kāfirah; feminine plural كافرات kāfirāt or كوافر kawāfir) is an Arabic term in Islam which, in the Islamic culture, refers to a person who disbelieves in God, denies his authority, or rejects the tenets of Islam; or simply all those who are not Muslims and do not believe in the guidance of the Islamic prophet Muhammad

Precisely the opposite of what you allege.

My quotes are all accurate and instead of saying what the New Testament means, I simply quote it. YOU are the one making all these proclamations about what the bible and koran "mean"

 

???? Cant imagine what would lead you to believe that? If anything it was in spite of their Islamic religion. The warmer climate simply prevented them from experiencing the plagues like Europe did.

 

You use that word "stole".

Please provide reference in context. When did this occur? What areas?

 

Look at the progression of Israeli walls, cutting off pieces of Palestine.

Look at the maps of where Palestine can actually self govern and the places where Palestinians in Palestine live under the MILITARY justice system of Israel - in which they have no representation.

The US revolutionary war was fought for the right of representation - something so many Palestinians are denied by Israel.

Also, Israel has been warring against Gaza continuously, day in, day out, for decades. Israel has stolen their right to live as a free people, subjecting Gaza to life in an open air prison.

 

None of that ^^ is evidence of land being stolen. I hear interviews where Jews bought land from the Palestinians and the Palestinians don't like it, that that's not stealing.

 

Yes, the Taliban have in Afghanistan specifically, and perhaps a few other places. But remember, it is a Palestinian who has the keys to the most holy Christian sites in all of Israel. Ironic isn't it?

You don't know your history then. It is well documented.

 

It is called selectivity. All religions do this, including Islam. And that is the point I am making.

What I highlighted in bold and underline is what the original meaning of of Kafir means. It is a rejection of God, much the same way that the Bible says is an "unpardonable" sin and one who will not get into heaven. See the similarities here? or no?

No it is not because that is exactly what you are doing here.

No, I am simply showing you that if you are going to study a religious book, first learn the language in which the book was written, as it was originally intended. Second, don't be so selective in verses that fit your political idealogy. No holy book, including the Bible or the Quran, is pro this or against that. This is the same argument certain pastors use when it comes to the Bible such as whether would Jesus be a conservative or a Democrat for instance. You are doing the same thing that they are doing.

 

?????? No, I was responding to YOUR claim that -

????? Which includes ANYONE who "rejects the tenets of Islam", not just Idolaters as you claimed.

No, I was very clear that among the Muslims, it is only the Islamic fundamentalist, the ones who follow a strict literal interpretation of Islamic doctrine that we see across the world engaging in violent terrorism.

Only Islamic doctrine DICTATES the form of government AND law to be applied, then and today. And only Islam that leads to large numbers of its followers willing to "fight" "kill" "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers "until religion should only be for Allah". Islamic caliphates applying shariah as law, as they existed from Muhammads death in 632 until 1928 and a few years under ISIS. THE RULE under Islam while the 90 years absence is the exception.
Christianity doesnt concern itself with government and law to be applied today.