Pro-Palestinian protesters shout ‘Allahu akbar’ outside of World Trade Center site

Such an honor to be in the presence of such a great scholar. Maybe look in one of those texts and see if there's something about humility or humbleness.

Some saying having to do with dazzling or baffling comes to mind.

 

I am no scholar, but I do read a lot though.

 

It's extraordinarily pretentious of you to sit here and tell people what they may or may not have read in their life.

It is hard for a man to know everything.

 

And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

the kkk also was not a Christian group that praised their god for every lynching. That was based on race not religion. That’s why they were determined to be racist not a religious cult. No matter what you have read your understanding is clearly off of truth if you believe kkk was a legitimate response to my post. Along with many others you posted

 

Offering a suggestion to read a book on the topic is not pretentious whatsoever. I also said I read a lot and told you I am no scholar. It is up to you to find out for yourself. Whether you do or not is up to you, but I suggest you read that book to see the history of what has happened in the past which explains why it is happening now. It does not condone what Hamas did, but it may help explain why Hamas did what they did. That is where knowledge come from, where wisdom comes from, where logic comes from when we learn things that are not wrapped so nicely in political agendas.

 

The same verse can also be translated into this: And when the inviolable months1 have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakāh, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allāh is Forgiving and Merciful.

But this is the problem with translation into the English language. The English language is not very precise. For instance, Galatians Chapter 5 is the love chapter. But love in the English language can have many connotations, can it not? But if we look at the Greek language, the language in which Paul wrote the letter to Galatia, love is very specific which five different words express the meaning of the English word love. We have eros, philos, agape, and two others. Eros was never used in Galatians Chapter 5, but Philos and Agape were, along with one other word as well. Thus, be careful on what the English translation may be from the Quron when it says something such as this. Changes the whole thing from "infidels" to "polytheists" does it not? In Arabia, the Bedouin tribes practice polytheism at the time of Mohammed. Moh\ammed also too spoke about Jesus, more so than the New Testament, among hell, heaven, and other things. Furthermore, Islam, Judaism \, and Christianity worship the same God or Allah in Arabic. Allah literally means God in Arabic. It is the same Abrahamic God. But Mohammed also said that Jesus was a great teacher, not the Messiah. The Messiah was Mohammed. And thus a different religion was born in the 6th century AD. Christianity was a cult among the Jews until we started witnessing and accepting Gentiles and became a major religion when Roman Emperor Constantine became a Christian and proclaimed Christianity as the official religion of Rome, ending Caesar's worship from Augustus onward.

The KKK used Christianity and all of them were Christians. Their first group was not Blacks when they had their third resurrection, it was Catholics. By the 1950s, it was any and all immigrants who were not white, Jews, and Blacks. The largest lynching happened in New Orleans among Irish immigrants who were all Catholic. But they did use Christianity as their reason for doing such actions in the same way as Hamas/AQ/Taliban and other Islamic terrorist groups misuse Islam for their causes. Two peas in the same pod figuratively speaking.

 

Tolerates?

You mean... like definitions?

What's the difference between Islamic and Muslim?

Islamism is not a form of the Muslim faith or an expression of Muslim piety; it is, rather, a political ideology that strives to derive legitimacy from Islam.

 

There are extremists in every political spectrum, religious as the foundation or not (see agnostic and atheist Progressives right here with hyper extreme viewpoints).

It is also a simple matter of history and examples that showcase a propensity of many Islamic extremists to resort to terror and intimidation in their quest for political ambitions aligning with their extreme desires using religion as the justification.

Screaming Alah Akbar! at the site of one of the worst terrorist attacks in history perpetuated by Islamic extremists as a means of protesting current events related to Muslims is absolutely clear to see the intent.

Anybody denying that desires willful ignorance in lieu of simply objectivity.

 

Absolute crazy perspective here.

I would recommend that they don't invade a heavily militarized neighbor. Killing over a thousand people and taking hundreds of people hostage.

That would seem like a poor choice wouldn't it?

They dont get to be victims now.

Good lord.

The poor Palestinians in Gaza have just been innocent and the big bad Jews have attacked them for 10 years, unprovoked. What absolute hogwash.

The Palestinians have been fighting the Jews for Decades in the sole effort of attempted eradication from "their" land. And each time they lose, they get pushed backed and confined more and more as the Jewish state works to protect itself.

Trying to come at this like Patestians in Gaza are victims is just plain silly.

And while your making them victims, why not also minimize the attack! What a joke.

You mean as Hammas militants hide under hospitals and use civilians as human shields?

It's almost if like doing so, Israelis options are limited. Either don't kill the terrorists to save the civilians, or kill the terrorists with collateral damage and civilians deaths and some people will claim they are targeting civilians.

You bought into that little Hammas tactic hook-line-and-sinker. Didn't ya?

 

Bottom line is that Hamas can stop this at any point. Return the hostages and give themselves up. But they won't. Hostages have probably already been killed anyway.

 

The Irish was also looked at as a race below the English whites. The KKK is not a religious organization.
the KKK of the 19th and 20th centuries was decidedly anti Christian in its beliefs and actions. While it disavows violence, the modern/current KKK still holds some blatantly unbiblical/unchristian beliefs, and is soundly rejected by every significant Christian denomination.

 

Just so you know, I am not Christian and I am not religious. It does not take a rocket scientist or a knowledge of books to know that there are most definitely more fringe extremists in the Muslim faith than the Christian.

 

I am sorry to say, but even if Hamas returns all the hostages, it won't stop the bombing by Israel in any way whatsoever. That point was made clear by Netanyahu a few days ago.

 

Never said it was, neither is AQ/Taliban/ISIS and other terrorist groups. None of the terrorists are religious organizations, but that does not mean they don't use religion for their own purposes. That is what you are not understanding, such a simple concept to understand. KKK used Religion for their political purposes. In today's definition based on what they did in the past, we would call that terrorism, would we not? In parts of NYC and New Jersey, you can still see graffiti on anti Irish immigrants in specific places. The latest was when a singer named Paul Bynom of the Celtic Thunder fame, reported this type of graffiti when he lived in NYC for a while. This graffiti was near his home, and freshly painted. It does happen, but it is rare nowadays compared to the past.

We have had pastors such as Greg Locke and others who have made similar statements. From time to time, even the esteemed Revenant Billy Graham made anti semitic statements on occasion but later apologized but not like people such as Pastor Greg Locke and others who tned to rear its ugly head. Most of them are pastors of large evangelical churches, clapped, cheered, etc. But the point is that it happens today. An NYC church put out a sign to kill all gays in the 2000s when GWB was president. Don't remember when exactly, but it did happen. But more importantly, it is the conservative media that tries to put an agenda or propaganda on with its anti-LGBTQ agenda and why we have the conservative proposals about libraries, drag queens, sex change surgeries and so forth that have been proposed, and sometimes past, all in the name of Christianity. We even see this with abortion nowadays where the pro life groups are now demanding, if the GOP wins the WH, House, and Senate, to pass a permanent abortion ban with little or no exceptions. somehow if that comes true, you and others who call yourselves Christians would defend such actions because of what? you were paid to? Or because it is now "the Christian thing to do?"

 

Fine by me and no sweat. Your choice just as one who is a Muslim, yes?

 

As well, generally christian "extremist" are usually following a tortured and twisted interpretation of christianity while Islamic extremist are generally following a strict literal interpretation of Islam.

According to Christianity
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

According to Islam
Volume 1, Book 2, Number 26: Narrated Abu Huraira*)
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

 

Pretty much everything you post here has a clear political agenda full of bias.

I suggest you seek out more neutral content for your reading list.

 

The caged humans program of Israel on Gaza IS war. And, it's gone on for decades, with Israel whining whenever Gaza fights back.

And, it is a major criminal act.

I totally oppose the terrorist act of October.

But Israel has been slaughtering Gazans since then and states they will continue to do so for at least another MONTH as they have no food or shelter.

How many thousands of children does Israel need to slaughter in order to be happy?

 

The problem with this is that Muslims don't see terrorism as legitimate.

Those who fight against terrorists in most places are heavily dominated by Muslims.

Jihad also refers to the struggle within oneself to better follow god. It also refers to defense against aggression. It doesn't refer to wars of aggression for the purpose of gain.

Terrorists may well use that term, but let's remember that they are terrorists - a tiny radical percent who are not representative of Islam.

 

What silliness. From the Koran
[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
Muslims who follow a strict and literal interpretation of Islam certainly do. AND isnt it revealing that while I said nothing of terrorism, YOU assumed my use of the word jihad referred to terrorism. Fortunately not all muslims follow such an interpretation. From the Bukhari hadiths, first 22 verses containing the word Jihad. Obvious what is meant by the word "jihad"

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause."

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 505:
I asked the Prophet "Which deed is the dearest to Allah?" He replied, "To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times." I asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, "To be good and dutiful to your parents" I again asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, 'To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's cause."

Volume 2, Book 15, Number 86:
The Prophet said, "No good deeds done on other days are superior to those done on these (first ten days of Dhul Hijja)." Then some companions of the Prophet said, "Not even Jihad?" He replied, "Not even Jihad, except that of a man who does it by putting himself and his property in danger (for Allah's sake) and does not return with any of those things."

Volume 2, Book 24, Number 547:
Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) ordered (a person) to collect Zakat, and that person returned and told him that Ibn Jamil, Khalid bin Al-Walid, and Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib had refused to give Zakat." The Prophet said, "What made Ibn Jamll refuse to give Zakat though he was a poor man, and was made wealthy by Allah and His Apostle ? But you are unfair in asking Zakat from Khalid as he is keeping his armor for Allah's Cause (for Jihad).

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
The Prophet was asked, "Which is the best deed?" He said, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle." He was then asked, "Which is the next (in goodness)?" He said, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause."

Volume 3, Book 29, Number 84:
I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shouldn't we participate in Holy battles and Jihad along with you?" He replied, "The best and the most superior Jihad (for women) is Hajj which is accepted by Allah.

Volume 3, Book 31, Number 121:
...So, whoever was amongst the people who used to offer their prayers, will be called from the gate of the prayer; and whoever was amongst the people who used to participate in Jihad, will be called from the gate of Jihad;

Volume 3, Book 46, Number 724:
Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu Huraira added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e. holy battles),

Volume 4, Book 51, Number 33:
When 'Umar got a piece of land in Khaibar, he came to the Prophet saying, "I have got a piece of land, better than which I have never got. So what do you advise me regarding it?" The Prophet said, "If you wish you can keep it as an endowment to be used for charitable purposes." So, 'Umar gave the land in charity (i.e. as an endowments on the condition that the land would neither be sold nor given as a present, nor bequeathed, (and its yield) would be used for the poor, the kinsmen, the emancipation of slaves, Jihad, and for guests and travelers; and its administrator could eat in a reasonable just manner, and he also could feed his friends without intending to be wealthy by its means."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 41:
I asked Allah's Apostle, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the best deed?" He replied, "To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times." I asked, "What is next in goodness?" He replied, "To be good and dutiful to your parents." I further asked, what is next in goodness?" He replied, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." I did not ask Allah's Apostle anymore and if I had asked him more, he would have told me more.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 42:
Allah's Apostle said, "There is no Hijra (i.e. migration) (from Mecca to Medina) after the Conquest (of Mecca), but Jihad and good intention remain; and if you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 43:
(That she said), "O Allah's Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed. Should we not fight in Allah's Cause?" He said, "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj-Mabrur (i.e. Hajj which is done according to the Prophet's tradition and is accepted by Allah)."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 44:
A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." He replied, "I do not find such a deed." Then he added, "Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?" The man said, "But who can do that?" Abu- Huraira added, "The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 56:
,,,Later on it happened that she went out in the company of her husband 'Ubada bin As-Samit who went for Jihad and it was the first time the Muslims undertook a naval expedition led by Mu awiya.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 79:
On the day of the Conquest (of Mecca) the Prophet said, "There is no emigration after the Conquest but Jihad and intentions. When you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately." (See Hadith No. 42)

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 81:
In the life-time of the Prophet, Abu Talha did not fast because of the Jihad, but after the Prophet died I never saw him without fasting except on 'Id-ul-Fitr and 'Id-ul-Aclha.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 85:
....He told us that Zaid bin Thabit had told him that Allah's Apostle had dictated to him the Divine Verse:
"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives.' (4.95)
Zaid said, "Ibn-Maktum came to the Prophet while he was dictating to me that very Verse. On that Ibn Um Maktum said, "O Allah's Apostle! If I had power, I would surely take part in Jihad."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 87:
Allah's Apostle went towards the Khandaq (i.e. Trench) and saw the Emigrants and the Ansar digging in a very cold morning as they did not have slaves to do that for them. When he noticed their fatigue and hunger he said, "O Allah! The real life is that of the Here-after, (so please) forgive the Ansar and the Emigrants." In its reply the Emigrants and the Ansar said, "We are those who have given a pledge of allegiance to Muhammad that we will carry on Jihad as long as we live."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 88:
The Emigrants and the Ansar started digging the trench around Medina carrying the earth on their backs and saying, "We are those who have given a pledge of allegiance to Muhammad that we will I carry on Jihad as long as we live."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 104:
The Prophet said, "Good will remain (as a permanent quality) in the foreheads of horses (for Jihad) till the Day of Resurrection, for they bring about either a reward (in the Hereafter) or booty (in this world."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 112:
The one for whom they are a source of reward, is he who keeps a horse for Allah's Cause (i.e. Jihad)

 

Israel has been making war on Gaza for DECADES.

When Gaza attacks you can't suddenly be all that outraged.

It's true that those who attacked used terrorism. But, what Israel has done to Gaza is also a humanitarian atrocity for decades.

Today, Israel sees it as justified to slaughter THOUSANDS of children due to Hamas committing that one attack.

There is NO proportionality in that. It's just one more Israeli atrocity.

 

Much of this was written during the war being waged against Muhammad.

That was a religious war. It most definitely is not a statement of how to live every day life nor how to live with neighbors who don't share beliefs.

 

Precisely the opposite. The Koran is made up of the Meccan and Medinan verses. The more peaceful and tolerant Meccan verses written when Muhammad was in Mecca and even his own tribe was against him and the other tribes waged war against him. When he conquered Medina and gained a large number of followers and built an army, he wrote the more intolerant and violent Medinan verses.

[9.1] (This is a declaration of) immunity by Allah and His Apostle towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement.
[9.2] So go about in the land for four months and know that you cannot weaken Allah and that Allah will bring disgrace to the unbelievers.
[9.3] And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Apostle are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.
[9.4] Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

After Muhammads death, the first act of the first Islamic Caliphate was to wage the wars of Apostasy against most all the Muslim tribes, not because they were no longer Muslims but instead because they stopped paying Zakat to Mecca as required. Within 30 years Muslims were waging violent jihad in Spain to the west and Afghanistan to the East, not because they were waging war against the Muslims but instead to expand the Islamic empire and rule of Muslims over all others.

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...

Religon is not yet only for allah

"Islam is not merely a belief, so that it is enough merely to preach it. Islam, which is a way of life, takes practical steps to organize a movement for freeing man. Other societies do not give it any opportunity to organize its followers according to its own method, and hence it is the duty of Islam to annihilate all such systems, as they are obstacles in the way of universal freedom. ...
This religion is really a universal declaration of the freedom of man from servitude to other men and from servitude to his own desires, which is also a form of human servitude; it is a declaration that sovereignty belongs to God alone and that He is the Lord of all the worlds. It means a challenge to all kinds and forms of systems which are based on the concept of the sovereignty of man; in other words, where man has usurped the Divine attribute." Qutb

"Their fascination was arisen after the defenders of democracy and the
defenders of other such false ideologies (who have no religion) defended democracy simply for the sake of it, and they mixed the falsehood with the Truth.
..... They distort the Truth with Falsehood, and mix the Light with the Darkness, and the Polytheism of democracy with the Monotheism of Islam. But we, with the help of Allah, replied to all of these fallacies, and showed that democracy is a religion. But it is not Allahs religion. It is not the religion of monotheism, and its parliamentary councils are just places of polytheism, and safe havens for paganistic beliefs. All of these must be avoided to achieve monotheism, which is Allahs right upon His servants. We must destroy those who follow democracy, and we must take their followers as enemies - hate them and wage a great Jihad against them.
Abu Muhammad 'Aasim al-Maqdisi

 

Non-sense.

Jews and Arabs have lived in the region of eons in various settlements largely in peace. The Muslims tried to capitalize on the anti-semetic movements in Europe and other regions... and like always, they lost that battle.

I see the majority of the aggression perpetrated by the Muslims, while the majority of retaliatory actions by the Jews.

Is it not Hamas who has regularly rejected the two state solution compromises?

 

Hamas has long stated that Abbas negotiates for them.

Netanyahu has stated various directions, but he certainly has promised that there would be no two state solution while he was influential.

He also doesn't want a one state solution if he hasn't successfully drive out all Palestinians from Palestine.

Today, he's stated that he will continue slaughtering Palestinians in Gaza for another MONTH!

Five THOUSAND dead children is just not enough. And, Israeli troops are clearly not discriminating between civilians, UN, press, or hostages.

In what way is Gaza not now an extermination camp?