Biden touts potential border deal with Senate as Speaker Mike Johnson says bill 'dead on arrival' in

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  1. Tahuyaman

    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    Here’s facts which you will deny. This doesn’t consider the illegal migrants who were never caught.

    Now let’s see you show the strength to admit that I’m right.

    https://www.fairus.org/legislation/...-immigration/2023-marks-highest-level-illegal

    Customs and Border Protection (CBP) released new data showing that fiscal year 2023 now marks the highest level of illegal immigration in U.S. history. Over the past twelve months, CBP has encountered a stunning 3.2 million illegal aliens at our borders—more than all four years of the Trump Administration combined. The FY 2023 total represents a 16 percent increase over FY 2022 (2.76 million) and a 63 percent increase over FY 2021 (1.96 million).


    Finally, the number of suspected terrorists encountered by the Border Patrol during FY 2023 has reached a new high: 172. Of this number, 169 were encountered trying to evade capture at the southern border, and 3 were apprehended trying to sneak in through the northern border.
     
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    If some guy mugs you and steals your car then gets apprehended you would expect that would mean he got locked up and prosecuted? Apprehended in the case of these illegals means they got counted.
     
  3. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    All you did was provide the same information I've provided a dozen times already.
    Border apprehensions are at all time highs. I've covered that. To you directly.
    Here's the claim you made without any data to back any of it up. Not even the link you provided covers those let into the country.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...d-on-arrival-in.616291/page-8#post-1074645717

    You've been shown your claim multiple times so you don't have to remember the data you need to post.
    And you still can't provide the data.
     
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  4. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Never said anything different. What's your point. I already know what apprehended means.

    I am questioning those that claim 85% are let into the country. But no one will back up those claims.
    Just some story about some guys in some meeting saying Myorkis said something.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Then there are the 1000 a day known gotaways.
    Border Patrol clocking 1,000 ‘known gotaways’ per day, over 23K people in October, CBP sources say | Fox News
    Im aquainted with a husband and wife both on the border patrol who say 1000 KNOWN gotaways means another 3 or 4000 UNKNOWN gotaways. They met during Trumps administration. She monitored cameras mounted on a tethered dirigibles that could monitor remote areas and dispatch her future husband and other agents who drove 4 wheel drive vehicles and ATVs. The dirigibles were taken down when Biden came into office. Now they both care for and process illegal immigrants all day long.
     
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    Currently, Border Patrol agents apprehend and process migrants who cross the southern border, releasing roughly 85% of them into the U.S. with dates to appear before an immigration judge to...
    Could Biden really ‘shut down’ the border? (nbcnews.com)

    DHS secretary admits over 85% of migrants being allowed into US: report (nypost.com)
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    They have no desire to do so.
     
  9. Tahuyaman

    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    How did I know that the facts would be meaningless to you. You’re just a partisan hack. Lol.

    You don’t deserve any further responses.
     
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    The laws that provide for deportation of illegal aliens.
    Guidelines for the Enforcement of Civil Immigration Law (ice.gov)

    SUBJECT: U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement

    Alejandro N. Mayorkas.......



    I. Foundational Principle: The Exercise of Prosecutorial Discretion
    It is well established in the law that federal government officials have broad discretion to decide who should be subject to arrest, detainers, removal proceedings, and the execution of removal orders. The exercise of prosecutorial discretion in the immigration arena is a deep-rooted tradition. The United States Supreme Court stated this clearly in 2012: "A principal feature of the removal system is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials. Federal officials, as an initial matter, must decide whether it makes sense to pursue removal at all."....

    The fact an individual is a removable noncitizen therefore should not alone be the basis of an enforcement action against them. We will use our discretion and focus our enforcement resources in a more targeted way. Justice and our country's well-being require it.
     
  11. fullmetaljack

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    And this means what ?
    Sounds line guidelines for the enforcement of civil immigration law. Backed up by, among other things, the exercise of discretion backed up by a SCOTUS opinion.
     
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    I don't see any mention of discretion.

    Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3).

    Alien Smuggling -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(i) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing that a person is an alien, to bring to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien.

    Domestic Transporting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law."
    https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1907-title-8-usc-1324a-offenses
    So does that mean that every time the Border Patrol helps an illegal through the razor wire are they guilty of a Federal crime?
     
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    Facts are not meaningless.

    Try posting some facts for a change. In fact, try posting a fact, just once.
    Do you know what a fact is? Hint: It's not an uniformed opinion that you've presented.
    Try some real data and present that.

    You should never respond to anyone but MAGA, they are the only members who will buy that conspiracy BS you present.
     
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    If this is a fake story can you produce a denial of it by a source you trust?
     
  16. dairyair

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    Fox lies did that in their story.
    3 unnamed people. There's not even any fake quotes to know what they said.

    If it were true, there'd be quotes. Names. Myorkis on record.

    Maybe you can provide a source to actually verifiy the fox lies story? Maybe even another conspiracy theory source?

    What was the meeting about?
    Who was at the meeting?
    Where was the meeting in Eagle Pass held at? (Location)
    When was the meeting held?

    Any credible sources cover this so called secret meeting that has no people who attended it, where it was located at, and the date the meeting was held?
     
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    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    How did I know that you would deny facts I posted? I called it as I posted them. Now in your world facts are a conspiracy. Lol.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    An answer to your question.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    You having "dismissed" the facts doesnt alter the facts.
     
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    An answer that you don't comprehend or can explain ?

    You could have just said that. No worries.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    The question-
    And the answer

    And I understand it just fine and can see who it is that does not comprehend.
     
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    So, I’ll repeat : what laws, specifically , are not being enforced ?

    Are you claiming that NOT ONE PERSON has been deported since 2020 ? You better be ready to back that up.
     
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    I Never deny facts. However, you've not provided any facts ever.
    Try some facts. Not uniformed opinions.

    Then lets see what happens. Now, just 1 fact, GO!!!
     
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  25. dairyair

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    I dismissed not a single fact.
    No one has presented a single fact, except me. Here it is yet again.
    Notice, there's a chart with data and a link to show where data originates.
    Notice, it's not a fox lies story with unnamed people and no quotes. That's the difference between facts and uninformed opinions.

    upload_2024-2-9_11-30-27.png

    US border apprehensions (usafacts.org)
     

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