Comer et al. are Putin Pawns.

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    All of that is irrelevant.

    It's all about the impeachement/impugning the integrity of Joe Biden.

    This proves it's all bunk. There is no other argument that matters. FBI and their relationship with Smirnoff is IRRELEVANT to this point that Smirnoff was central to Comer Committee's articles of impeachment. Smirnoff's testimony was to be the 'corroboration' for all the other circumstantial evidence. Without Smirnoff, the other evidence doesn't amount to squat.

     
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    Involved, or injected?

    Always? You want to run with that?...lol
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why are many on the right so simplistic in their arguments? This subject requires nuance.

    Your argument appears to misunderstand several key points regarding international relations and the actions of different U.S. administrations. Regarding the claim that "Trump kept Ukraine safe," i note that while the Trump administration did provide military aid to Ukraine, this issue is complex and requires context. During his vice presidency under Obama, Joe Biden played a significant role in Ukraine, advocating for the removal of the corrupt prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, in line with international calls for his removal. Contrary to the narrative that Biden sought Shokin's removal to protect his son Hunter, who was involved with the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, there is no evidence to support the claim that Hunter Biden was under investigation then. Also, this was probably a lie being propagated by Alexander Smirnoff, who is now under indictment. The Trump administration's attempt to pressure Ukraine's President Zelensky into investigating Burisma and the Bidens, leading to Trump's impeachment, contrasts this.

    Attributing the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to President Joe Biden's actions simplifies a complex geopolitical event driven by various factors, including Russia's strategic interests. Similarly, the statement that Trump protected Israel more effectively than Biden is subjective. While Trump's administration took significant steps like recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital, both administrations have supported Israel, albeit with differing approaches. Biden's administration has continued strong ties with Israel while also pursuing a more nuanced approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    Blaming Biden for the consequences of the Russian invasion of Ukraine ignores the broader geopolitical dynamics, historical tensions, and the involvement of multiple actors in the region. It's misleading to attribute such complex situations to the policies of a single leader. In reality, geopolitical events are influenced by numerous factors, and simplifying these events to the actions of one individual overlooks the intricate realities of international relations.
     
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    All of that is irrelevant. Do you have any thing showing FBI and their relationship with Smirnoff is IRRELEVANT to this point?
     
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    Unrelated events. But if they were related, then we could assert Putin is an idiot or has terrible intelligence. Biden has been far more hostile to their takeover of Ukraine than Trump would have been. It's not out of the question that Putin has terrible intelligence, though, as Ukraine has clearly been more difficult than expected.
     
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    Of course here we go again. Russia is a major beneficiary of political division in the US, and though we are adversaries either way, the right is far friendlier to their ambitions.
     
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    Intentional lying to the FBI appears to be the difference. The main difference between rumors and "raw intelligence" is semantics and strategic significance. Steele's dossier was raw intelligence that needed further verification. That's not the same thing as intentional lying.
     
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    Steele intentionally lied to the FBI.... he was even offered money to verify the claims but could not do it.... why is Steele not in jail? the dossier was submitted to a FISA court as "verified "
     
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    Let Comer speak for himself....
    James Comer
    https://justthenews.com/accountabil...-fbi-informant-discredited-renewing-red-flags

    "To be clear, the impeachment inquiry is not reliant on the FBI’s FD-1023. It is based on a large record of evidence, including bank records and witness testimony, revealing that Joe Biden knew of and participated in his family’s business dealings," he said. "Just this week, we had another witness confirm Joe Biden was the brand being sold by the Bidens around the world."
    "When asked by the committee about their confidence in the confidential human source, the FBI told the committee the confidential human source was credible and trusted, had worked with the FBI for over a decade, and had been paid six figures," Comer went on. "The FBI’s actions in this matter are very concerning. The FBI had this form for years and it appears they did nothing to verify the troubling claims contained within the record until Congress became aware of and demanded access to them."
     
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    Nope. It was investigated, and even when they did attempt to get the other main guy for lying, he was acquitted. Jury acquits an analyst of lying to the FBI over the 'Steele dossier' : NPR

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    Danchenko, by his own admission, was responsible for 80% of the raw intelligence in the dossier and half of the accompanying analysis, though trial testimony indicated that Danchenko was shocked and dismayed about how Steele presented the material and portrayed it as factual when Danchenko considered it more to be rumor and speculation.

    Prosecutors said that if Danchenko had been more honest about his sources, the FBI might not have treated the dossier so credulously. As it turned out, the FBI used material from the dossier to support applications for warrantless surveillance of a Trump campaign official, Carter Page, even though the FBI never was able to corroborate a single allegation in the dossier.
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    Reflecting on this, it was an oversell from Danchenko that Steele and the FBI gave too much credence too. But apparently the jury did not feel this oversell was sufficient beyond a reasonable doubt to constitute lying.
     
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    Notice MSNBC and CNN just started with the RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP stuff again since we are closer to the election cycle and their pathetic plan to bankrupt him into dropping out FAILED! and what do you know, just like clockwork this thread drops. Get ready for a lot more RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA stuff.
     
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    Only fact is Ukrainians were safe from Putin under Trump, and invaded under Biden. Ukrainians are dying under Biden's presidency.
     
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    Nope, not how the world works. "At the same time therefore because of" is simple, childish thinking. And I suspect you know it, you're just being partisan.
     
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    Russia never stopped being an issue. They are an adversary. They were an adversary before Trump was a politician. It's arguable whether we could have done more to prevent this after the fall of the Soviet Union. There was no conspiracy to bankrupt Trump. He is simply an alleged criminal being treated as such.
     
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    This thread is DOA
    Under WHAT administration did Putin invade Ukraine?

    THE END............................................
     
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    ???? Hunters emails are the linchpin of the case against Joe. AND Smirnoffs alleged lie is that he met with Burisma officials in 2016 while the FBI alleges he didnt meet with them until 2017. His testimony is put in question.
     
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    So last weekend I was on the phone with my ex fiance who needed some photoshop work done, you folks know her as the gal who works for the democrat party of California. While we were talking, she reminded me how she supposed to tell candidates, when they're speaking in public, not to align themselves too closely with Biden because that will only hurt them. She also said she was told to tell candidates to subtly hint at an association with Russia/Puting and MAGA. I asked her about why the Russian thing because there's nothing there. She responded by saying it worked the last time.

    There you have it, and it's my belief that anyone spouting Russia Russia Russia nonsense probably received a Vulcan mind meld from the DNC.
     
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    He's backpedaling.

    I can show you loads of videos where Comer, Jordan, Hannity, and other Republicans are heaping praise on Smirnoff, and Comer blaming the FBI for not giving him the 1023, and they had to subpoena to get it, and before the information on it was verified (which is why the FBI didn't want to give it to Congress in the first place), Comer and Jim, et al, were on TV claiming Biden was taking bribes like jackals on a feeding frenzy. All fake russian disinfo. Comer is a putin patsy. So cut the crap.

    "We have determined that the informant is extremely credible' --Comer



    You lose.

    The impeachment is DOA when it arrives to the Senate. Comer & Jordan need to Find something more productive to do for the American people, Joe Biden is innocent.
     
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    IND.pdf (justice.gov)

    If anyone wants to read 16 pages to see the complete absence of anything about contact with a Russian Official "who manages two groups of individuals who are tasked with carrying out assassinations overseas,"
     
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    So this theory of yours rises or falls on what your ex is telling you.

    Wonderful.

    Dismissed.
     
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    Flies to feces, right?
     
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    ????? It directly contradicts the claim in your Bloomberg and Yahoo article.

    And my bad, its 37 pages not 16
    IND.pdf (justice.gov)
     
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