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To be fair, only some of it has been “opened”. I put in quotes as there are caveats, making it more of a reciprocity agreement than “open sourced.” Tesla will sue:

https://electrek.co/2023/07/17/tesl...tent-infringement-despite-open-patent-pledge/

 

So you cannot cite this direct subsidy to oil which you claimed when you could not produce a subsidy for ICE cars.

Gotcha..........................

 

Yes - a lot of cobalt came from DRC and possibly from other places where child labor is especially horrible.

Battery manufacturers and EV manufacturers need to stop using cobalt.

That is also what is happening. Tesla and others are moving to lithium iron phosphate batteries.

 

Tesla leading the way is crucial, however, until the rest do, every EV that uses cobalt batteries is condoning the abuse of these children.

 

You should identify where you disagree.

 

The federal and state governments of the USA have been exceptionally kind to the US auto industry throughout history on issues of employment, pollution, and direct support when foreign manufacturers provided features that people wanted.

 

Sure and most parts can do it.

 

So?

 

The bolded statement should be your first inclination.

 

We do MAJOR business with China as well as business with other countries where there are serious issues of injustice.

Ever since Nixon our direction has been that through trade and trade organizations we can make more difference than simply driving these nations in other directions.

Starving DRC off of cobalt is probably good, but it doesn't seem like a solution to child labor law there.

Our use of cobalt isn't limited to batteries. We use it in gas turbines, for example.


We can certainly get EVs to no longer use cobalt. In fact, it shouldn't be that hard, as perfectly good alternatives exist - alternatives companies like Tesla are moving to.

 

There was no disagreement about that.

 

This is going to hurt electric vehicles and I can make no judgments on musk but the only reason any other manufacturer would follow it is because they're losing money.

But the problem is EV batteries that don't use Cobalt don't have as much capacity so the range is shortened and this is the nail in the coffin for electric vehicles.

 

Cite please.

 

No look it up yourself or remain ignorant it's not my responsibility to educate you.

 

The thing about battery and range isn't that trivial of a question.

Cobalt batteries can not be charged to 100% without battery damage. So, they are usually charged to 80%, while LFP and LMFP batteries are charged to 100%. So, range estimates that are based on full battery capacity are not what the owner is going to experience.

Beyond that, LFP batteries are cheaper, which is significant as batteries are a major expense in EVs.

Also, the size and design of battery packs (let alone chemistry) is important.

Beyond that, the "going to" part of your post is actually a comment on EVs TODAY, as Tesla and others are using LFP batteries, plus moving toward LMFP.



So, the real story (if there is one) is how specific EV models perform in terms of range, cost, etc.

Plus, one can avoid DRC child labor by checking if the car you want uses cobalt.

 

You made a claim.

Now, you don't want to back it up!!!

 

That is complete BS !!!

 

You said they were the same cars, they are not.

 

Range is based on how far there car will go before needing recharge.

there's a trade off either the car is going to be have you heavier are you going to sacrifice range. Gasoline and Diesel for most applications is still Superior

Currently electric cars are either for rich people or they are glorified golf carts. They have a lot of improvements before people start picking them.

Or if they buy one that runs on gasoline or diesel.

 

Accelerating to 70 on a freeway on ramp? I've driven in a city for decades entered the freeway thousands of times in various pickup trucks and they all could do it I've rarely been behind a vehicle that couldn't and most of those had problems.

 

I didn't say they were the same car and if I did I was incorrect they are almost the same car.

 

That is his MO. Makes up things then runs away

 

Oil refineries use cobalt

 

2nd time, parkways generally do not have the ramp space due to their inherent design, parkways are usually in more suburban areas.

 

In hardened steel and such probably less in a 4 electric cars and it'll be in service for decades.