⚡Unsold electric cars are piling up on dealer lots⚡

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Well i don't think so. mining cobalt to fulfill a much lower demand doesn't need the Chinese to work Congolese children to death.
     
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    Colonial Parkway is a federal road that runs between Historic Jamestowne and the Yorktown Battlefield. Together they comprise Colonial National Historical Park. Surface is facsimile macadam, patrolled by federal park rangers. So yes, people don't often speed.
     
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    The same children are mining cobalt to be used in fossil fuels
     
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    if you need far less the domestic supply is sufficient. so why would they?
     
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    Why do we even need automated carriages. We can just walk, or jog, or maybe use a horse. Much better for the climate.
     
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    What domestic supply? It's a global commodity and will be purchased from the cheapest source
     
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    But if domestic sources are enough you don't need to ship it in from other places.

    The demand for Cobalt for refining petrochemical isn't as high as manufacturing electric cars. Turning it into an expensive commodity electric cars did that not refineries.

    I'm sorry you failed it this one.
     
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    Uses of cobalt:
    Cobalt was discovered by Swedish chemist Georg Brandt in 1739. It is a hard, lustrous, silver-gray metal that is extracted as a by-product when mining nickel and copper. Besides serving as a cathode material of many Li-ion batteries, cobalt is also used to make powerful magnets, high-speed cutting tools, and high-strength alloys for jet engines and gas turbines. Cobalt compounds have been employed for centuries to color porcelain, glass, pottery, tile and enamel; it is also important in human nutrition as part of vitamin B12. Figure 1 illustrates the breakdown of cobalt uses.

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    Figure 1: Use of cobalt in industry [1]
     
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    When are you going to start complaining about child produced tobacco imports into the US from Brazil?
     
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    You shouldn't use tobacco and that is just another reason why.
     
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    How about your mobile phone or pc which also use child mined cobalt? Have you pledged to support the 2019 lawsuit against Apple, Google and Dell among other companies by parents of Congolese children injured from cobalt mining or did your concern just start when EVs were being widely introduced?
     
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    Far less Cobalt in those batteries than in a crappy car
     
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    Mobile phones and computers serve a justifiable purpose. EV's not so much.
     
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    One electric car battery contains 30+ pounds of cobalt. Do you know how much 30 lbs of cobalt catalyst can refine oil into fuel? Also, cobalt in refineries are recoverable and recycled for reuse, meaning that same cobalt is not a consumable in the refinery process and can be reused time and time again to refine hundreds of millions of petroleum.
     
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    I've been on the George Washington parkway too, people speed there too
     
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    Perhaps the weight of the solar panels would more than offset the advantages. It would also increase the cost of the vehicle.

    My father was in the wholesale automobile parts business. The worst time for batteries was when the weather was extremely hot or extremely cold. How will these vehicles operate in the heat of the summer and the cold of the winter? How practical are these vehicles in places like northern New England? I have not seen these issues addressed.
     
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    They have been treated like any other business as far as deductions for expenses and cost the normal business deductions and NEVER have their ICE vehicles recieved a direct subsidy from the government as you have tried to claim nor did the government subsidize the building of gas stations and pipelines and refineries for the gas to run them.

    Take all the subsidies off EV's and let the FREE MARKET determine their outcome. Beaurocrats in DC are to dumb to be able to try and manage our FREE MARKET economy through their mandates.
     
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    So child labor is ok as long as not too many children are used
     
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    The heart and soul of the climate industry is subsidy farming, be it EV "rebates", or solar sun/wind farms, etc.
    In California we have "Price rationing" of electricity. From 5 to 8 it is outrageous, and coincidentally when people get home and charge their cars, cook, turn on AC. Why? Democrats don't build infrastructure. They prefer to reward the poor and illegal.
     
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    Your attempt to justify the rampant use of child labor to mine the large quantities of Cobalt needed to build batteries is noted.

    How about we all agree that any use of a child in labor camps should not be okay?!
     
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    The difference is that my concern about the use of child labor did not coincide with the time of development of EVs
     
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    GW Parkway is an entirely different situation -- a major commuter route near DC. Colonial Parkway is 150 miles away; goes through (under) Colonial Williamsburg. No commuters.
    Here we also have the Humelsine Parkway (Rt. 199), a semi-circle around Williamsburg. Speed limit is 60 mph. Rarely see anyone above 65 mph.
     
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    Oh sure, everybody adheres to the speeding laws there. :)
     
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    FYI, TX has just over 20% of it's power from renewables. With this historic heat wave, many would lose power and their ability to cool down, resulting in many heat related death.

    For the record. !!!
     
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    On the two parkways under discussion, yes they do.
    On nearby I-64 and I-95 it's different.
     

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