⚡Unsold electric cars are piling up on dealer lots⚡

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  1. roorooroo

    roorooroo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Texas utilities should have built a few more nuclear-powered generating facilities.
     
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    I agree with the "no direct subsidies" part.

    As for your last, that just doesn't work.

    ICEs are responsible for the health care costs and pollution that comes from burning 14,000 barrels of oil per day on our city streets. This is known in economics as an externality - a cost that is NOT paid for as part of the cost of the product. You and I pay for that healthcare, for one example.

    As importantly, we need to get off of oil in order to be independent of the world oil market, which was a major contributor to the latest inflation spike as well as past fuel catastrophes (and everyday costs).

    Also, we need a thriving US auto industry, and that industry says that to survive they need to be building EVs. That is requiring STUPENDOUS investment. They need help if they are going to survive to a point where they are profitable.

    I could go on.
     
  3. WillReadmore

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    OK.

    But, that's the most expensive electricity we know how to create.

    They would be better off by expanding the LEAST EXPENSIVE electricity we know how to make - wind and solar.
     
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    Both are unreliable.
     
  5. WillReadmore

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    You'll have to explain that.
     
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    No, the reactionary mentality is a leap backward.
     
  7. Chickpea

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    Which seems more energy efficient:

    Coal -> heat -> steam -> motion -> electricity -> battery -> motion

    Or

    Gasoline -> motion

    And remember your physics. Every phase change loses a portion of the energy to entropy.
     
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  8. WillReadmore

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    It's true that there is less wind speed over land in the summer. One would need to take that into account.

    Near large bodies of water (like gulfs, great lakes, oceans) air over warm land rises thus driving cooler wind from over the water.

    Solar is solar. The period of generation can reach long into dark hours if the technology uses is heat collection used to turn turbines. Individuals can become nearly grid independent with modern home solar - saving money in the long run plus reducing grid load for others to use.
     
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    TX is having a historical power usage at this time too, so those renewables are most certainly helping out the TX electrical grid.
     
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  10. truth and justice

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    You have missed a lot of stages out.
    How does the gasoline get to motion?

    The most efficient is renewable energy -> battery -> motion
     
  11. Chickpea

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    When it burns inside the cylinder it moves a piston
    Which form of renewable energy?
     
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    They all generate electricity which can then be transmitted via the most efficient energy transport medium, cable, to the battery. Unlike gas which has to be transported via another vehicle to the gas pumps
     
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    Does the gas from the refinery magically appear in the car?
     
  14. Chickpea

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    Do you think there are enough batteries to run as many cars as we have now?
    No it gets there the same way the batteries to. It’s transported.
     
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    No, he’s right. EV’s came before ICE vehicles. ICE vehicles were the leap forward in technology.
     
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    Because of their intermittency, and the consequences of that, wind and solar are among the most expensive energy sources.
    Analysis: The Actual Levelized Cost Of Energy Suggests Green Energy is Hiding Costs
    Economics and policy June 8, 2023
    A recent story on the Washington Policy Center website suggested that Intermittent sources of energy create cost and reliability risks for the Northwest. In...
     
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    Don't be silly, please.
     
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    He's not.
     
  19. WillReadmore

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    The form of energy is one of the big wins of EV transportation.

    With ICE, we get once choice - the world oil commodities market.

    With EVs, we get any of a variety of sources of energy.

    We just got over having a spike in inflation that economists state was caused in significant part by the world oil market - that oil price and COVID disruption were the major issues.

    By being diversified (transportation energy from multiple sources) we can dodge disasters like that.

    (Of course, that's only one of the benefits as I've mentioned earlier.)
     
  20. WillReadmore

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    You're really good at finding Heartland and other total denialists who promote bloggers they agree with.
     
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    LOL!!!

    The leap forward is in battery technology.

    The car that is wrapped around the battery is just not the issue.

    When electric cars started, they used lead-acid batteries that were and still are absolutely noncompetitive.

    Today's electric motors are also incredible - replacing the entire ICE engine, transmission, differential, and all the care and feeding parts - oil pumps, water pumps ignition system, injection system, radiator, etc., etc.

    The Tesla model 3 plaid is a 4-seat family sedan with front and back trunks that gets 0-60 in a hair under 2 seconds.
     
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    You really don't know anything about the subject, do you?
     
  23. WillReadmore

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    If you thought you had a point, you would have tried to make it.
     
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    The batteries were around before ICE vehicles. Batteries in vehicles were a thing before ICE. ICE vehicles were the technological advancement over EV vehicles. EV are currently being made better than they used to be, that’s true, but again, all that’s really happened is the same tech(electric motor being driven by a battery) has gotten better at doing it’s job.

    And yes, I know very well what Teslas are capable of and what they are not capable of.
     
  25. WillReadmore

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    What an absolutely ridiculous argument!!

    There have been essentially zero technology advances in ICE cars in the last couple decades.

    And, the result is that advances in EVs have totally overtaken ICE cars in many key areas, while continuing rapid advancement.
     

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