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  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Show me where I said that. However, "could" means it is not impossible. Prove that it is impossible. Virtually anything is possible given the correct circumstances. All it would take is one close state which could sway the election and a few fraudulent votes. No proof is required beyond that.

    I say it is possible, but not likely. I want to hear you say it is impossible.
     
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    Where did you say it? Right here...
    So again...it’s upon you to show the evidence that a national election might be affected by voter fraud. Put up or shut up. Simple.
     
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    What have voter ID laws to do with closing polling stations?

    More in line would be to comment on Mississippi requiring voter Id then closing the locations where the ID can be obtained.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    North Carolina
    ...EOM
     
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    No, it won't. At least not in the foreseeable future.

    The security issues involved in voting on line are, at present, insurmountable.

    Lack of paper trails being the first issue. Any purely on line federal election would most certainly be attacked by many state-actors and the integrity simply, at this time, cannot be guaranteed.

    At some point when we all have access to MFA and we figure how to really secure access and protect records it will be great for expanding ballot access but it is not doable in today's security environment.
     
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    Not really. The Republican search for Democratic voter fraud has been broad and extensive. Seems they turned up a little old lady in Texas.
    If, of course, they'd bother to look for Republican fraud...?
    But we can't have that can we?
     
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    Republicans aren't interested in rooting out voter fraud. They are interested in looking like they are rooting it out.

    Because they know that based on verified instances of voter fraud, the culprits have been pretty much split between Dems and Reps.

    It's a rallying slogan. Nothing more.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I will as soon as you tell me whether you think it is possible or not. Why prove something which you have no opinion on?
     
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    Yes really. In order to know whether there is vote fraud, you would have to determine who voted, whether it was legal for them to vote, how they voted and compare that to the vote total. Without knowing that, you could never know for sure. You can only guess.
     
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    Sigh...

    NORTH CAROLINA REPUBLICAN ABSENTEE VOTER FRAUD

    It was in all the papers.
     
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    I already told you...a few times. Quit stalling and put up or shut up
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sigh all you want. You can never know for sure whether voter fraud occurred. If you say it can always be determined. please describe what process you would use to determine it.
     
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    You quit stalling. It is one of two cases. You believe that voter fraud could overturn an election. In which case, it is pointless for me to try to prove the same thing.

    In the second case, you believe that voter fraud could not overturn an election. If that is your position, prove it. You have just as much obligation to prove it as I do.

    Personally, I don't think you have an opinion because you would then have to defend it and you can't.
     
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    Actually the proof is fairly easy. There has been fraudulent votes. If it is possible for have even one fraudulent vote, there is no reason why could not have enough fraudulent votes to overturn an election. Obviously the closer the election, the easier it would be to overturn it.
     
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    I already proved it in post 114. But I will do it again.

    Obviously, it is possible to have an election determined by a single vote. Not likely, but possible. It is also possible for there to be at least one fraudulent vote. Now in order to say that is not proof, you must disprove at least one of those statements.
     
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    They're sure in NC. Sure Republicans committed fraud.

    So, if it's not sure, why keep claiming it as a reality?
     
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    The issue is whether voter fraud can always be determined. I say it cannot always be determined. If you believe it can always be determined, describe the process to identify it.
     
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    repeadted
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since "repeadted" is not a word I recognize, there is not much I can say.
     
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    Again...I already answered your question. Why are you being disingenuous?
    Seems you won’t back up your claim. Can’t say I’m surprised. My proof is that no presidential election has been swayed due to voter fraud.
     
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    That’s not proof. That’s an opinion.
     
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    Again...that isn’t proof. It’s an opinion.
     
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    No. You have to prove that the statements are wrong. Unless they are wrong, that is proof. Just claiming they are opinions is not good enough.

    But again. Which statement is wrong?

    1. An election could possibly end up being decided by a single vote. Certainly, that is possible.

    2. During that same election a single fraudulent vote could provide that crucial vote. Certainly, that is possible.

    Now which statement is not true? Because if they are both true, an election should be overturned by a single fraudulent vote.

    Those statements are not opinions. They are possibilities and that is all we are talking about it possibilities.
     
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    I asked you for proof of how a federal election could be swayed by fraudulent voting. You have proven provide nothing to the conversation. Once again a waste of time. Goodbye
     
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    I proved it was possible.
    Do you agree an election results could be changed by just one vote? Answer yes or no. It is not an opinion question. It is either possible or not possible.
     
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