Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Tejas, Sep 12, 2021.
According to history Joseph Smith was a polygamist and a pedophile.
You sound like either a Charlie Hebdo Disciple or a Howard Stern groupie.
Your testimony.....Got it, but forgive me if I do not buy into it. I know many Mormons. Most are very nice people. I also know a few Jehova’s Witnesses, not as nice as Mormons, I also know a bunch of Born Again Christians that think you guys are part of a Satanic Cult usually pretty nice folks too......One thing they all have in common is that they are dead sure that they are right and everybody else is fulloshit. You have definitely been properly indoctrinated. The Catholics I grew up among tried like hell to indoctrinate me but I knew it was crap by the time I was in 2nd grade. I know many who were raised LDS, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Jehova and others who also grew out of the dogma that was forced upon them under the threat of fire and brimstone. They are all very fine people.
They are in darkness and do not know.
I do not consider Joseph Smith a pedophile as in those times it was common and accepted to marry a woman at a much younger age. But he was most certainly a polygamist. For example, Ty Cobb, the baseball great’s father who was a state legislator and a deacon in his Baptist Church married Ty’s mother at age 12 and Tyrus was born when she was 15. That was in the 1880s and was totally acceptable to the bible thumpers of the day. Joseph Smith may have screwed a bunch of 12-15 year old girls in his day, but that does not make him a pedophile in my book.
Navoo Legion Mountain Meadows Massacre......look it up....Pretty dirty stuff.
The following link appears to give a fairly detailed account of his affairs.
Don’t follow either of them however I am very interested in US History and know a lot regarding the last half of the 19th century as it pertains to LDS in the Midwest and Utah.
There there is nothing in the Bible about higher/lower law and so on ... No doubt much was left out of the Bible .. they are still leaving stuff out today .. stuff that was in the Bibles from the time of constantine . no longer there.
We don't know when the last days are - "According to the Bible"
There have been many self professed usurpers of "The Logos" - and the "Present Day Prophets" are snake charmers.
Which is the point that I was making with that anecdote.
They are in a dark place they did on their own.
I agree. But it's not like they are blasphemous apostates. Besides all conceptions happen in the dark. Were it not for his laborers and our Saviors mercy I could not have conceived in my darkness. Granted, I was receptive. Still God abided my life up to the season of my receptiveness, and was there to fill my heart with his spirit, my mind with his light, and glimpse into his realm beyond the ceiling of my living room, his light flowing down and collecting about his representatives on my couch. All of his treasures were once buried before being buried again and washed in baptism. Even still he is near to us in kindness and mercy, closing his eyes to fault and weakness too great for us at the moment. Maybe I'm unwise and too sympathetic to be practical. But I cant escape our heavenly Fathers charity towards me....and all the more in the saying of it, like uncapping a light. The strength of your testimony is gladdening to me. Forgive me if I've overstepped my boundary.
You should have said that God communicates the truths according to each person's spiritual development and culture, but that there can only be one truth. You can't have conflicting 'truths'.
the thing is, in each religion only a small part of it is actual truth. The rest is a bunch of goop that humans put in for their own purposes. That is why religions look so different.
It's not goop, God reaches people in ways that they are comfortable with - thus the different traditions. Of course I'm talking about Christianity here.
So, there are 3 or 4 Christians posting in here?
And there are 3 or 4 versions of Christianity being spouted in here.
If there were 100 Christians posting in here, there'd be 100 version bantered about. Each claiming they have the magic decoder ring.
Heresies were determined at the Ecumenical Councils by the Fathers/Saints of the Church. New heresies have popped up more recently and they call themselves Christians - but they're not. How can they be when they are forming their own version of Christian beliefs? The Church of Latter Day Saints is not a Christian faith, nor are the Jahovah's Witnesses. Nor are some of the more liberal Protestant faiths.
God can't be Pure Creation and yet negate from His Creation, it would be an oxymoron. The reason God presents Himself in the OT as being a punishing Father is because it was the only way people in that day and age could understand the consequences of their own actions.
Man brings about his own harm and destruction when he turns away from God's Mercy and Love and opens himself up to adverse influences.
Are you saying that 2022 is the next 2012?
Of course, god reaches out to all peoples all over the world and probably other worlds. But that doesn't prevent people from twisting the message for personal gain.
There are some who will do anything for personal gain, and they will be rich and believe they are favored by God. And there are those who will retain their integrity and will be pennyless, and yet get slandered and calumniated no end. It's the Cross one bears.
I'm the god of this world
that's what I be
to give you all of what you see.
But that's just what I made you think,
when saying you'll swim
and never sink.
Now you should have known,
it couldn't be true,
when I made lying a part of you - Jeannette
Funny you would mention 2012, the year the world would end according to the Mayan calendar. Well it didn't end, but I read somewhere that it was the beginning of God's time, or revelation, and that it started with the Syrian war. From there it will go to the Aegean - which it is thanks to Turkey.
I guess the Mayans didn't have it exactly right, but they did know something.
Just now on FOX news channel's Tucker Carlson show... he showed a video from February 2015 of then VP Biden bragging that they intend to bring in a "never-ending stream of immigrants"... then on video... Biden explains WHY they want to bring in hordes of nonwhite third world immigrants... Biden actually said to make White Europeans the minority. Tucker Carlson actually said this is called the "Great Replacement" and what is being replaced are White Europeans. He also suggested the reason is... government wants third worlders because they are more easily manipulated. That same Tucker Carlson show will be repeated at midnight central time.
What is happening now is what I have previously posted on this forum... it's the evil end of the age Gog/Magog global horde invasion into all White European homelands... because like Biden, Gog/Magog [Edom] wants to destroy all the former nations of White European Christendom.
The good news is... God is in total control control.
The West is being punished because it has become Babylon the Great mother of harlots and abominations of the earth.
Since WW2, the evil rulers of Western nations [now Babylon] have given their power and authority to the evil Edomite-NWO beast. These evil rulers of the West [Babylon] have been systematically perverting and destroying ALL the homelands of God's people [former White European Christendom.] The tragic irony is... most Westerners appear to love being perverted, corrupted and abused and their homelands destroyed! They love Gog/Magog's [Edom's] third world global hordes flowing into their new "Babylon"... and now more and more of those destroying third world hordes are coming....
WHEN does it all end?
As Daniel 12 tells us... when the power of God's people is totally broken. As Revelation 12 tells us... when the evil "red dragon" [Edom] makes war against the remnant of the woman's seed who keep God's commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. As Revelation 20:7-9 [and Ezekiel 38/39]....tell us... when Gog/Magog's [Edom] global hordes totally surround the "camp of the saints"... then fire comes down from God to destroy Gog/Magog [Edom.]
Btw... Ezekiel 38:21 suggests Gog/Magog's global horde invasion will cause a civil war... and when the enemy is defeated... per Ezekiel 39:12, it will take God's people months to bury all of Gog/Magog's demographic army.
Correction, there are now 4 or 5 Christians posting in here. With yet another version. And everyone of those other Christians are heretics, according to each of them.
But who has the authenticity to establish doctrine, that is the question? Is it the original Church with its thousands of martyrs and Saints that Christianized the pagan world, or is it the modern churches of self exaltation and self indulgence?
All Churches are man made.
Separate names with a comma.