If it was I wouldn’t care. Let Europe do Europe. If we would have stayed out of that mess this world would be so much farther technologically.
It is a great cautionary tale. Still, I feel bad for the people who live there that never wanted this nonsense. I mean we suffered under Obama and almost had Clinton *brrr*.
Merkel's position has shifted a lot last years. Germany has gotten a lot tougher after the folly they had.
I doubt it. She's changed her stance only to stay in power. If she has the chance, she'll do it again.
Please feel free to elaborate. Mean while checkout my link. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/books/hitler-ascent-volker-ullrich.html
I have long held the position that the EU is the path to WW3. It's an expansionist empire with little regard for the will of it's own people or others. It will clash with other empires and it will go to war internally to protect itself rather than allow it's own people to leave. I strongly advocate all countries to re-arm and seek strong alliances that take this potential future into consideration.
You think no one worked together in WW1 and 2. Ever heard of the Axis, or the Allies? Did you think those armies were a bunch of individuals acting alone? Working together to dominate others will by response necessitate their working together against you. The larger your organisation grows, the more they threaten. The more they unite resistence against them. Disband or be disbanded. For the EU to survive it must liberalise. Otherwise I think it's going to get itself nuked.
It's not the best of times being a person of color or a Muslim in the world today/ White leftist will use you as a pawn in the name of multiculturalism and it can get you killed.
Is it your opinion that Europe worked together to put Germany back on its feet after WW I? Do you think France and Britain worked together to stop Hitler? Do you think France and Britain worked together to save Poland? Yes, I've heard of the Axis and the Allies. What is your point? What did they do to PREVENT war?
You should really read some history, and actuality. EU is not an empire and hitler didnt merely wanted to trade or talk. That childish reasoning, trumpian even. Thats simply not true. The EU is a join cooporation were countries can join, and as the UK shows leave. Its there to ease trade and facilitate relations. Again thats nothing like hitlers germany read a history book.
The formed alliances, built military deterrents and actively engaged in diplomacy and spying amongst other things. Including trade, political ties,cultural ties, military integration and co-operation, international sport etc. Royal inter-marriage! France and Britain worked together with many other nations to successfully stop Hitler and to unsuccessfully save Poland.
No one has left yet, so far everyone who tried to leave has been made to revote. If we take Ukraine as our example we can see that expansion on the borders of the Empire have resulted in war, which is what happens on the borders of expansionist empires. Read classical history to understand the nature of empires. I don't think the UK secession will result in a war as long as it takes place. That said the EU is doing it's best to agitate war in Northern Ireland right now and also agitating for a revote.. I do think it will result in a Ukraine style civil war if secession is confounded. In the event of a civil war the EU will join in. A united UK is simply too powerful for the EU to attack. A Yugoslavian state? Not so much. The EU wishes to become a nation. War is part and parcel of the birth of any nation. People aren't just going to "give you" that kind of power over them mate. You are going to have to take it.
I just said the EU Chief Executive was saying things that sounded like something Hitler would have said. Did you read his comments?
Mongols didnt exist yet when rome fell Your mixing it up, they where being pushed by the huns The old holy roman empire was disbanded in 1806 by napoleon. And did not exist in ww1. Thats the whole point of the secund reich, the first one got destroyed by the french the prussians rebuild it after they crushed the french They even crowned the german king as emperor in paris that war i think
None of which resemble the ailments of Europe under the last century. If drama is what you are after, there is plenty of it but not in the clothing you and your mate have in mind. Quite simply, we have an EU and a UN (in particular) that wish to avoid war, while the US and its NATO goon squad see war as the means to its own ends. There is the WW III conflict you seek. The US is playing the part of Hitler and a percentage of Euro-NATO states is your Mussolini (but no arrow-cross), destined to collapse under the weight of its' own conscience. In the end, you've got the US against the world, surprise-surprise. Are you prepared to give us a few details on how any of those actually took place? Some examples that can hold up to scrutiny would be nice. I have highlighted the important bits to which you can address your response ..... and as you've sidestepped two of the most important events I can add them here: prevent Germany's ruin and prevent Hitler from becoming a necessity. Strewth! You got me there!
Everyone wants to avoid a war. But not at any costs. So the guys telling you they will never start a war, they don't get it. They don't get that they can push you over that line. They don't have the human empathy. So if we take Hitler as our example, he didn't get that we would go to war over Poland. Despite what the League of Nations was telling him. Despite what we were telling him. You are looking for Hitler and Mussolinis. I just look at classical history. Expansionist empires and the birth of nations. There will be war. Everybody says they don't want a war. Everyone demonises their enemy as Hitler. When you demonise the US as NAZI, basically you are singing the war tune. Dehumanising your enemy. Declaring your side in a battle you already see as begun. Britain and France didn't so much prevent Germany's ruin as fail to deliver it first time round. Had WW1 continued on into Germany and arsed raped them, they would have become pacifist before Hitler rather than after. Next time they will get nuked. Any who survive will be as passive as the Japanese. So the lesson of not finishing the job was repeated in Gulf War one. Leading to Gulf War 2. WW3, isn't going to be like that. It's going to be over and done in 3 minutes flat. We've made some additional preparations for it. 3 strikes and they are out. WW3 begins when complacency sets in. When we forget. That generation is almost gone now. It will be soon. I felt much safer at the height of the Cold War. My family raised me to survive the deprivations of a world war. I have the farm. I am zombie proof. Self sufficient. Are you? If you don't want a war all you have to do is not try and rule over others. But these people, the EU, they don't know how. They know best, they work for the common good of all. They are not liberal. They will not stop. They must be stopped. That is the only way this was ever going to go down. We are ready. We saw this coming. We will bring peace. Peace through war. War is a means to that end. It is why we fight. If you wish to live, reign in your ambitions. You have been warned. Let it be the next generation who forgets and not yours.
"Sounded like"? "something Hitler would have said"? You are an expert, are you? If you repeat what "the EU Chief Executive was saying" then that would make two of you. Wow! Really scary! I've read lots of rubbish in my life. But rubbish is rubbish. Bringing it to the surface only clouds the water. If life is boring or one is feeling bullied instigating a confrontation between two others is not really the best way to feel good about oneself. There is no holocaust ingredient here. Immigration is no same ting, man.
This is simply not true and I am surprised at you for saying that it is. Utter rubbish. You’ve taken more than one step from the path of logic now. The problem is the mistake in your first statement and now you’ve made the error of building upon it. “They don’t get it”? Of course they “get it”, they are playing on it intentionally. Completely wrong. Are you trolling it? “Declaring war” is the same as saying, “The president today expressed deep concern …….” Well, that’ll shake the earth! How many men did Britain and France rush to Poland’s aid – to implement the promise of GOING to war”? Hitler “got it” alright and he was right, again. No consequence, nothing happened. How did the West (Britain in particular) betray Poland? Let me count the ways. Sure there will be war, but in the frame work that I described in my previous post. Not a war against the immigrants. The war will manifest itself in support for NATO being withdrawn and Washington offering an ultimatum. But the withdrawal of support for NATO will be carried on the wings of Democratic principle. This is why the US instigates the deterioration of European Democracy. The US wants to plunge Europe into the same Fascist state situation that America has created for itself inevitably standing at the helm of a global, fascist monstrosity. But this war we are projecting will (let us pray) prevent it from happening. Yes! That is what I am protesting in this very thread! That’s why I am here. The silliest thing I’ve read so far. The victors of WW I are guilty of making the second war necessary irrespective your failed observation. “become pacifist” is what they were BEFORE Hitler. Adolf led Germany out of it …. not into it. With any justice it will be the biggest nuke-manufacturing nations that become decimated. That is the only hope left to mankind.
If Juncker is worried about Nazi's he should be complaining about the Nazi regime we installed in Ukraine
The justice will be ours and not yours. If you want peace, you will get it. You seek to rule America, but it is they who will rule over you. Reign in your ambitions. You seek authority over them. It is not allowed. The superiority you feel over them, it is a conceit. You do not have it. Mankind will survive. You might not.
