85 vs 3 + billion; lets talk income inequality

Cool, Ill think about it while you answer both intent and the spirit of the question. Deal?

 

Yes indeed but since I mentioned them using their various assets your point is undermined. Moreover income leads to wealth. One cannot achieve a great wealth without a great incoming at some point or points. So since you want to get pendantic about everything, thats cool, lets go over every word and sentence point by point....ok?

 

Interesting, what would you like them to do to make themselves useful? Invent something?

Perhaps they should just all invent something next week, something profoundly exceptional, one invention per human - is that ok with you?

Or maybe they could all do what you do, they'd all learn your job, using the widely available books on the subject, then sell their very expensive labour? That sound about right?

 

How about they just gang together and take whatever they want?

In the meantime, if the 85 manage to obtain the rights to all of the earths wealth through various companies, and then use it strictly for themselves, does the principle of private property still hold for you?

 

I think youre getting mixed up;

Carbon dioxide. Oh and they can convert food into fertiliser. What do those 85 people produce, the same.

But youve got a very Interesting take ,so why didnt you go for the let them go and say good luck option?

 

You can easily solve the wealth issue with communism in three steps

1. Bonds no longer valid
2. Stocks no longer valid
3. Working for others not allowed

Through this those with true merit will still earn more but without being parasitic for the society .

 

Do you think its possible for those 3 billion to amass the same wealth each as the 85?

If not, is it because theyre just too lazy?

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Would I be allowed to care for my patients?

 

There's obviously an end game heiarchy when capitalism is left to it's own. In evolution the creature that is most evolved, can feed on everything eventually eliminates everything in it's habitat because it 1.) can and will eat everything and 2.) will eat all of it's food until it starves to death from eating.

This is the fallacy of this system. We have laws that can regulate how big someone or something gets economically, and if not we can write them so that evolution occurs, but doesn't destroy the ecosystem of currency.

 

Not sure what you mean , if you are a doctor working in a hospital you will own the hospital collectively with every other people working there.

 

Fair enough, but I think this communism stuff is pretty boring. Vague promises about the great collective dont really get through to anyone, its a young man's pipe dream. Im not going to entertain it any further.

 

What great collective? communism is just another direct-democratic system (like saying municipalism) without states playing favorites , no establishments , no elites and no injustice when it comes to income . Oh and there is nothing vague in it , we are very well established and there is a big growing crowd of followers.

To speak strictly on topic the two pillars of the current unfair system are the state and capitalists , there can be no capitalism without a state and there is no need for a state without capitalism . i know that this post will (*)(*)(*)(*) off any anacap that will possibly read it but seriously there is nothing voluntary or free in buying and selling labor.

 

Yeah sounds nice, but really you just want to say something and let us use our imaginations to fill in the gaps.

For example what happens on day one of communism?

 

There are no gaps , between the end of capitalism and the start of communism there is a very short period of socialism where the government is rapidly shedding power to local communities, national referendums are made to decide if they want a central body (with supervising role only) to exist , a common (skeleton) constitution and a constitutional court and how binding they can be, if they want to maintain an army etc.
From then on city / community councils (who have already decided structures during socialist period) assume total control .

Property wise say that you own a factory , nobody is going to take it from you but if this factory needs 30 people to run it all those 30 people become owners of equal share ; sharing of profits / loses , insurance policies and everything are decided by the owners .

 

Rich people and corporations control the money of 3.5 billion people.... and the money of everyone else. This is especially true in the US since Glass-Steagall was repealed. Now the banks can play with other people's money with impunity. If they screw up, guess who loses?

 

Me? I am safe. They dont write books on how to be a commercial fisherman. We stay quiet about such things.

If they arent working or producing anything then why are you shocked that the 85 most successful have more money? I produce more then all the unemployed in the world all by myself. That is more then 2 billion people.

 

So what should be the maximum before someone has to work for free for the rest of us? Before they become our slave?

Do you work? Well if so, you also produce more then the 2 billion poorest combined. All by yourself.

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How do corporations screw these people? Be specific.

Meanwhile I bet all of them would love more corporations in there area. No one is going poor from too much economic activity and investment.

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We murder and steal all the things the capitalists built that we want but are too lazy to build ourselves! You know, freedom my comrade!

 

See? They plan to steal it. When the capitalists refuse - as they always do, even poor farmers in China fought back - they will begin the murdering and communism will engage in yet another purge.

Equal share of the investment costs mutmekeep?

This is such a bad idea. Everyone else here realizes this right? I dont have to point o ut the millions of flaws? I am worried because most of the American left sounds pretty commie these days.

 

Cool so what happens on day one of socialism?

Does Mr Dyson lose most of his company and idea patents to his workers or all or of it?

 

Yeah so if they all become commercial fishermen, how are you going to make a living? Your wages are already being undercut by immigrants getting into your industry.

Are they not producing anything? And if not why not?

 

Yes I guess those guys are.

Cant compete with me, I am an American. They might work for less, but I produce more per hour. Got a brain for capitalism, I try using it, and it leads to efficiencies and big catch. I sell for less then importers do, I can compete against any foreigner. The rest of the country used to have that positive attitude too. Now the left has gotten everybody to be a whiny (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) looking for protections of their industry.

But they should try producing in their own nations first. Plenty of work to be done,, some places havent installed plumbing yet. What are they waiting for? Do they think water is just some fad?

 

I'm still trying to figure out how we value a family's share in a communal llama, alpaca or goat against stock options, since half of the world's population having no measurable wealth is not actually a new thing.

 

I think its kinda funny when rich people like obama and pals tell us poor people that we gotta give them money cause other people are poor...

Its kinda like they want me to be poor too...

 

On day one of socialism society makes a conscious decision to abandon the previous system and adopt a new one .
I can answer any question but we have make quite some posts out of topic and i hate to hijack threads.

Mr Dyson can negotiate compensation for his ideas (from his partners , directly from the community or even from a central/federal advisory body) but nothing is yours if you haven't personally worked for it so it is not his company , unless of course he can run it alone .

 

Your house isnt yours because you couldnt build it all yourself. Can I live in it and be equal partners when I show up? I am willing to do my share of the chores.

 

No that would be day 0 and before, day one would be the actual implementation. What happens on day one? After this decision is made, do the trains keep running?

Does food still come to the shelves?

Doesnt he get compensation also for the fact that he used his money to buy the factory?

By the way, if youve got a nice house with a few spare rooms, do you get to keep it or do you need to move out for the needs of a big family in need of better accomodation?

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Yeah kinda like, and kinda not like....so nothing really.