A Reality Check on Race and IQ

until such time as scientists are able to determine that genetics is actually the cause, and not inherited culture (of healthy habits etc), this research is meaningless. all we can do until such time is err on the side of caution and live as though it's all down to us. any reliance on genetics (for long life OR intellect) is a cop out. strictly for those who don't care for personal responsibility.

 

Again, no. These studies do not account for the TYPES of white people who were prepared to adopt Asian kids - and more importantly, the often significant overcompensation (nurture) by adoptive parents seen in cases of war orphan and otherwise dispossessed children adoptions.

It might interest you to know that Asians themselves don't believe that IQ is genetic. You'd think they'd know, given you claim they're smarter than the rest of us.

 

As usual you just pull convenient crap from your derriere.
1. You know NOTHING about these studies.
LINK?
LOL.
All your posts are mere claim/FRAUD.... like #2

2. You tried the Identical claim/LIE about Asians a few days ago.
I refuted it then too.
Don't you have Memory either?
WTF!
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=470722&page=66&p=1066710204#post1066710204
Science or Fiction? China’s Obsession with the Genetics of Intelligence

WTF!
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Linda Gottfredson is just another racist psychologist with an ideological axe to grind. The idea that the opponents of Scientific Racism are the ones that are biased is absurd considering the fact that most of its advocates are White Nationalists with political and ideological motives for supporting such research. Whites are not at the top of the IQ pyramid, but so what? How does that lend any credibility to your argument when most of you are completely obsessed with claiming Blacks are mentally inferior in just about every way imaginable? The only difference between classical White Supremacy and Race-Realism is the pecking order that is being promoted. If you don't want to call it White Supremacy we can just call it Neo-Racism. You're still racist. Most of you are still White. Your message has just changed from Whites are the best at everything to races are fundamentally different in ways that are socially important.

 

I'm sorry you're troubled by the idea of personal responsibility. You're not alone. Many (in the west) hate the idea, and have much invested in the avoidance of same. Huge sums of money go into 'research' in responsibility avoidance - and it's patent outcome, huge benefits to industries standing upon same.

In the meantime, as someone who is immersed in the culture under discussion, and has broad and extensive knowledge of the history and development of same, I can assure you that many Asians (far more than any western research will reveal) regard dependence upon the idea of genetic IQ is a western affliction. I recommend you personally ask any Chinese American parent if academic success is genetic, or plain old hard work. Ask them if there are dumb kids and smart kids. Ask them if they think all kids (apart from those with disabilities, obviously) are blank slates, with the same potential to excel.

 

This article put the IQ of Asian Indian Americans at 112, and Jewish Americans at 110.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/24/bo...inions-contributors_immigrants_minority.html/

This article put the IQ of Polish Americans at 109, and the Chinese Americans at 108.

https://books.google.com/books?id=z...EIeTAR#v=onepage&q=Polish American IQ&f=false

 

IQ is 60% - 70% heritable according to twin studies.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1520-iq-is-inherited-suggests-twin-study/

As for Asians being thin, you are aware that higher thyroids impact both weight, and intellectual function?

Those with higher thyroid function tend to be both more intelligent, and thinner than their counterparts with slower thyroid function.

Indeed, being thin seems to fit like a glove with IQ, East Asians, and Ashkenazi Jews who tend to be thin score higher IQ's, while Africans, Hispanics, Native Americans, and Arabs who tend to be heftier tend to score lower IQ's.

We already have proof that African Americans do indeed have slower thyroid function than White Americans do.

 

Adopted white children were the control in the studies. The adopted Asian children had higher IQ than adopted white children.

 

unless these studies differentiate for LIFESTYLE effects on thyroid function, they're worthless. the endocrine system is extremely sensitive to lifestyle imposts, and responds accordingly. if your studies can tease the chicken from the egg, we can talk.

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once again, the TYPE of parents adopting Asian kids (as opposed to those adopting white kids) has not been factored in.

 

Why would the race adopted parents choose matter in how the parents behave? You're smugly hanging your hat on something too absurd for me to exert much energy bothering to unpack.

Intellect is also not something entirely dependent on parental involvement.

You literally just made that claim up to support your viewpoint as it's being cut to shreds.

 

Iodine deficiency can cause hypothyroidism.

However, why would African Americans who live in the same society as White Americans have more of a iodine deficiency?

Especially given the iodine in salt here.

 

This thyroid study which put Blacks against Whites controlled for TPO antibody seropositivity, iodine status, and chorionic gonadotropin levels.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16319264

So, it does seem to bring forward a likely genetic component.

 

I think you could draw the opposite conclusions from the same data. Chinese go to Malaysia, and they outperform the natives. They go to Indonesia, outperform the natives.
Cambodia, Vietnam, you name it; they succeed.

That doesn't seem to make any sense. You are basically describing an economic system of piracy. This is college freshmen level philosophizing after a couple of beers and a bong.

 

1. Despite the Chinese immigrants outperforming Malaysia natives, the Malaysian country is richer than China. Judging by the insinuations made in the OP, China should be far richer than Malaysia.

2. The American foreign policy is basically a sophisticated form of theft. For all the resources taken from other places to feed this economy, hardly anything is given back. If countries don't like it, it becomes time for a war special just for them. America itself was built on theft, violence, and deception.

 

Sure, because Malaysia didn't have their economy ruined by Communism, like China did.

 

Telomeres length is linked to long lifespan point blank.

When telomeres is short it leads to an increase in obesity, type 2 Diabetes, heart disease, and cancer.

I'm betting that Asians have the longest telomeres length of any race.

Even though there's not proof, I think it's extremely likely.

I also think it's extremely likely that we'll find more, and more that longer telomeres leads to a higher IQ too.

We already have supporting evidence of just that.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0040116

 

You know the craziest thing was that Communism actually improved the conditions of many from what it was before Communism. It even help create stabalizing conditions for China to become a major world power.

 

Look at North Korea vs South Korea.

South Korea is about as rich as Europe, while North Korea is about as poor as Africa.

That's Communism in a nutshell.

 

It's nice of you to credit me with this idea, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to demure. Millions upon millions of Asians have held it as an article of 'faith' for many generations.

 

Yeah; she's just an unaccredited racist shill:

Professional service[edit]
Editorial board, Intelligence, 2004–present.
Board of editorial advisors, Society, 1997–present.
Editorial board, Learning and Individual Differences, 2004–2008.
Advisory board, International Society for Intelligence Research, 2000–2010 (Founding Member).
Board of directors, International Society for the Study of Individual Differences, 2005–2001.[10]
Editorial board, The Psychologist-Manager Journal, 1997–2000.
National Council, Federation of American Scientists, 1995–1999.
Testimony before the House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on the Constitution, Oversight hearing on the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice, Washington, D.C., May 20, 1997.
Board of directors, Society of Psychologists in Management, 1994–1997.
Board of directors, Society for the Study of Social Biology, 1990–1994.
Editorial board, Journal of Vocational Behavior, 1983–1990.
Consultant, Department of Labor (DOT revision [APDOT, contract to American Psychological Association], implementation of "Goals 2000" [contract to Institute for Educational Leadership]), 1992–1995.
Consultant, Department of Defense Student Testing Program contract awarded to Booz-Allen, Inc. 1989–1991.
Panel member, Advisory Panel on the Identification of Alternative Approaches for reporting Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) scores. U.S. Manpower Entrance Processing Command, San Antonio, TX, November 1987.
Consultant, U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, 1987–1989.
Honors[edit]
George A Miller Award (for outstanding journal article across specialty areas), Society for General Psychology, American Psychological Association, 2008[11]
Mensa Press Award, 2005.[12]
Mensa Award for Excellence in Research, 2005.
Faculty Senate Commendation for Extraordinary Leadership and Service, University of Delaware, awarded May 2, 2005.[13]
Mensa Education and Research Foundation Award for Excellence in Research, 1999–2000.
Fellow, Association for Psychological Science, elected 1998.[14]
Johns Hopkins University Society of Scholars, elected 1995.[15]
Fellow, American Psychological Association, elected 1994.
Fellow, Society for Industrial and Organizational Psychology, elected 1994.
Selected articles and papers[edit]
Gottfredson, Linda S. (March–April 1994). "Egalitarian Fiction and Collective Fraud" (PDF). Society. 31 (3): 53–59. doi:10.1007/bf02693231. Retrieved 2 November 2014.
Gottfredson, Linda S. (1997). "Mainstream Science on Intelligence (editorial)" (PDF). Intelligence. 24: 13–23. doi:10.1016/s0160-2896(97)90011-8. ISSN 0160-2896.
Gottfredson, Linda S. (1997). "Why g matters: The complexity of everyday life" (PDF). Intelligence. 24 (1): 79–132. doi:10.1016/S0160-2896(97)90014-3. ISSN 0160-2896. Retrieved 7 July 2014.
Gottfredson, Linda S. (199. "The general intelligence factor" (PDF). Scientific American Presents. 9 (4): 24–29.
Circumscription and compromise (2006), Encyclopedia of Career Development. (Based on her much cited work on the subject.)[16]
Intelligence: Is It the Epidemiologists' Elusive "Fundamental Cause" of Social Class Inequalities in Health? (2004), Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.
Gottfredson, Linda S. (11 March 2005). "Chapter 9: Suppressing Intelligence Research: Hurting Those We Intend to Help" (PDF). In Wright, Rogers H.; Cummings, Nicholas A. Destructive Trends in Mental Health: The Well Intentioned Path to Harm. Taylor & Francis. pp. 155–186. ISBN 978-0-203-95622-9. Lay summary (7 July 2014).
Gottfredson, Linda S. (2006). "Chapter 20: Social consequences of group differences in cognitive ability (Conseqüências sociais das diferenças de grupo na capacidade cognitiva)" (PDF). In Flores-Mendoza, Carmen E.; Colom, Roberto. Introdução à Psicologia das Diferenças Individuais. Porto Alegre, Brazil: ArtMed Publishers. pp. 155–186. ISBN 978-85-363-1418-1.
Flynn, Ceci, and Turkheimer on Race and Intelligence: Opening Moves (2007) Cato Unbound
What if the Hereditarian Hypothesis Is True? (2003)
Gottfredson, Linda S. (2009). "Chapter 1: Logical Fallacies Used to Dismiss the Evidence on Intelligence Testing". In Phelps, Richard P. Correcting Fallacies about Educational and Psychological Testing. Washington (DC): American Psychological Association. ISBN 978-1-4338-0392-5. Lay summary (9 July 2013).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Gottfredson

 

I'll wait for the studies demonstrating the difference in fish consumption between white and black Americans. and any others factoring in differences in diet and lifestyle which might impact iodine uptake.

 

Groceries sell just as much salt without iodine, and many choose to buy that because they do not understand the implications.

 

So, why is the Polish American IQ higher?

Is there a whole lot of iodine in Kielbasa?

 

I did acknowledge that she was a psychologist. She is also a Pioneer Fund grantee and her research illustrates my point quite clearly that she is a racist.

 

Care to field this one?

Here's a study showing that mentally disabled children were far more likely to be Dolichocephalic than those with normal IQ's.

http://iosrjournals.org/iosr-jdms/papers/Vol15-Issue 5/Version-5/A1505050104.pdf

Can you guess who's more Dolichocephalic?