A Reality Check on Race and IQ

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  1. Merwen

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    Money is money--and considering the political bias against the scientific facts around racial differences right now where else would she have gotten it?

    All other things being equal, equality is a nice idea, but nice ideas do not always lead to a safe and progressive society when they are wrong. If someone wants to fly commercial aircraft that only has an 85 or 90 IQ and has been enabled through flight school through some sort of Affirmative Action ploy, I do not want to be a passenger on his flights.
     
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    Race differences in intelligence: how research changed my mind to overcome the “all races are equal” dogma
    Race differences in intelligence: how research changed my mind to overcome the "all races are equal" dogma. | Human Stupidity: Irrationality, Self Deception

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    North Korea in the 1980's had Soviet Eastern Europe / Central Asia, Communist China, Communist Vietnam, Communist Mongolia, Communist Armenia, and Communist Cuba to trade with, and it still failed.

    Communism is an epic fail, it stomps out wealth creation, and reduces wealth productivity by bringing down incentive, as a result it fails to create a viable economy.
     
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    The trans racial adoption theory could be questioned unless the nature of source families was controlled for, however. IMO many Asians available for adoption may come from high status parents, whereas it seems to me that most black children available for adoption in the US come from low status parents.

    There are wide variances in intelligence levels in all racial groups--it is only the statistically average intelligence levels of each group that contrast with those of other racial groups. It is perfectly possible to find many blacks more intelligent than many whites and Asians, for example, even though the average IQ levels of the different groups might not suggest that.
     
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    Doesn't make sense. The only major difference between a Capitalist ran economy and a Communist ran economy is who owns the means of production. That's about it.

    Under alternative systems wealth is still generated, services still rendered, goods still produced just like Capitalism. The only real difference is who owns those means, who controls those means. We can see working examples of worker-owned places, even have one example at the state level right here in the US (Alaska).

    Btw people get decentivized under capitalism too. That's why we get Depressions and Recessions every so often.
     
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    Points taken, but your guess is not really educated or necessarily logical.
    These are WAR babies; many picked up on the way in and out of battle/in villages, and many malnourished.
    If they were very upper class/high status, they may/probably would have been able to escape those countries with their parents.
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    Gottfredson has worked tirelessly to oppose any efforts to reduce racial inequality in both in the workplace and in society such as civil rights laws for many decades. Her research follows a long tradition of scientific racism.

     
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    And, of course, the clincher to your argument is the high-IQ use of an avatar of "giving the finger".
     
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    Who you take money from does say something about you. The Pioneer Fund is a racist organization that has funded research used to support racist ideological agendas including Nazi scientists, eugenicists and segregationists. It's founder Wickliffe Draper was quoted stating that he wanted to prove that Blacks were inferior. Opponents of Scientific Racism have exposed it as pseudoscience and many of its academic advocates as quacks.
     
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    1. You must post Links. That is Wiki. A strictly cut-and-paster like you should know that.

    2. 'Scientific Racism' is a pejorative term for the Truth: there ARE racial differences.

    3. When it comes to Race, Wiki gives Critics a Huge amount of space to Wail on any Race Realist. And that is Not so with people on the other side. (If they have any criticism at all)
    ALL their entries on the topic have been Purged of charts, graphs, etc (and anything else useful), and replaced by apologetics.
    Wiki's biggest weakness/Bias Is PC.

    4. I see NO refutation from her critics, just Smear attempt: the usual.

    5. When I check, ie, Francisco Gil White (the first critic) it seems he's a professional Name Caller/"Nazi" accuser
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Gil-White#Political_activism
    Political activism

    Gil-White was fired from the University of Pennsylvania.[6] Gil-White claims that this was a politically motivated dismissal, a consequence of his investigative journalism, such as his refutation of the conventional version of the 1990s civil wars in Yugoslavia[7] and his claim that the Palestine Liberation Organisation traces its roots to Adolf Hitler's World War II Final Solution.[8] Gil-White has made public documents relevant to his dispute with the University of Pennsylvania,.[9][10] As a consequence of the protest registered by UPenn students in the context of his dismissal, on February 17, 2005, Gil-White appeared on Hannity and Colmes (Fox News Channel) in a segment on "how far academic freedom should go."
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    Francisco Gil-White teamed up with Israeli citizen Chaim Wolfowicz to create the now-defunct website StrongIsrael.org in order to protest what they consider a repetition of the WWII appeasement of the German Nazis in the Oslo Process.....

    IOW, any peace effort with Palestinians ("Nazis") is like WWII "appeasement" according to to FGW/Mr Godwin's Law.
    Two can play Smear.
    But only one of us can post Real numbers/data/science.
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    How are Race Realists/Truth tellers treated?
    How about the co-Nobel winner for Discovering DNA. (and a neighbor)
    Yep, a real nobody and someone who knows nothing about genetics!

    James Watson Tells the Inconvenient Truth: Faces the Consequences
    http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/james-watson-tells-inconvenient-truth_296.php
    Christian Creationists believe evolution never happened.
    Liberal Creationists (worse) believe/demand it stopped 200,000 years ago, and smear anyone who points out their ridiculous position.
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    In this case it says that the intellectual establishment in this country will no longer accept truth unless it is PC.
     
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    Interestingly, William Shockley, another nobody in the field of science, had similar views.
     
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    The notion that Whites are to blame for the failure of other races is racist. But then anything one says about race is "racist". So who cares if somebody calls something racist. It's just irrelevant name calling.
     
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    Your side is way more biased.

    Gould who mis-measured Morton's samples, and still found a difference in cranial capacity between the races?

    Gould who pioneered Neoteny being a driving factor of Human evolution, admitted that Asians are the most Neotenic, but spoke out against ranking groups as unjustified by levels of Neoteny?
     
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    Yeah, how many lies can these people get away with? Everything they come out with is a scientific fraud from Boas onwards. "Egalitarians" have about as much scientific credibility as creationists. And I love how they paint themselves as "the good guys" as they wreck Western civilization.
     
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    Oh please, Nazis thought that Dolichocephalic peoples were superior.

    Except Gorillas, Chimpanzees, Orangutans, Neanderthals, Homo Erectus, Africans, Australoids are / were all Dolichocephalic.

    I don't think many racial scientists are arguing this anymore.

    If anything a lot of racial scientists are now arguing the opposite.
     
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    I think the Nazis thought Nords were superior, who happened to be dolichocephalic. I don't think dolichocephaly was the basis of the superiority theory. It seems clear that cephalic index isn't well correlated to behavior traits.
     
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    This study in India which shows mentally challenged children are overwhelmingly Dolichocephalic, while those with normal IQ's are more likely to be Mesocephalic, and much more likely to be Brachycephalic suggests otherwise.

    http://iosrjournals.org/iosr-jdms/papers/Vol15-Issue 5/Version-5/A150505010
     
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    But you can't extrapolate that to other populations. Germans are dolichocephalic. Are they all mentally retarded? This study seems to be some kind of deviation from the population norm causing co-morbid effects.
     
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    I'm not a Capitalist, Capitalism is nearly as bad as Communism.
     
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    North-West Germany is Mesocephalic, South, and East Germany is Brachycephalic.

    Besides, if Western Europeans are so intelligent? Why have they been so brainwashed into anti-racism?
     
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