A straightforward question: Why do some of you think Trump is not "legitimate"?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"duh"

 

Feel free to add to my list, if you do not find it sufficiently inclusive.

 

I do see how laughable it is to you, however, I don't believe in so many coincidences, I do believe there was computer manipulation somehow & someway-I do believe in our data processing system "VAN" & I do beleive it is not a coincidence that "SO" many "experts" got their predictions wrong--
and every day that passes those pesky numbers keep popping up that just don't make sense--
A current example is the recent poll #'s of President elect trump, he has less than 40% approval going into the Inuguration,which typically the new POTUS is granted a honeymoon period which usually at this point is their highest approval rating, when you have 60% of the American citizens disapproving of a new POTUS before he even steps up to be sworn in, again,those pesky numbers & again it doesn't make sense-----
So,you all can say none of these numbers matter, you can laugh all you want, however,I still feel that trump did not win legally or legitimately---if something doesn't make sense,there's a reason-----
Hey, just a thought, how many years did it take to get to the truth about Nixon & watergate? I know this time there will be no hidden tapes, this time we are dealing with computer footprints or whatever they are called----just saying-----

 

LMAO...Too bad that you didn't apply the same standards of intellectual rigor when your great orange hope was spouting his hysterical demagoguery.
Now you got a kakistocracy. We shall see where it goes.

 

You know what's interesting for me? I live in the rust belt. If manufacturing jobs grow, I get a nice bonus in property value. I also am in the sweet spot for the Trump tax plan, and I'm a straight white guy. I was never even hurt by Obamacare. I stand to benefit quite a bit from Trump's policies, assuming he doesn't drive auto manufacturers out of business with his policies. So yeah, it might be the roaring 20's again for me. Who knows? It could also be the worst economic crisis of our time. After all, every other country who has implemented massive tariffs have suffered quite a bit in some way, but not all. The EU for example uses them quite a bit. The difference is that their citizens could handle the higher costs. So maybe it works.

 

Do you have verifiable, concrete justification for this belief?

 

Greg Palast and several others found about 75,000 ballots in Michigan that were not counted, and "Crosscheck" was used to disenfranchise a million others. They were examining and counting the ballots when Snyder decided a recount was much too risky and stepped in to stop it.

Do you know about this?

 

None of this unsupportable nonsense has anything to do with the computer manipulation issue under discussion.

 

My justification comes from working with our data processing system called "VAN",I've explained why-I've explained why I don't believe in so many coincidences--I've explained why if something doesn't make any sense,there's a reason,I've explained that there are reason's for Intelligence investigations-and some of my justification comes from some of trump's "odd" comments he has made throughout this campaign-- one that comes to mind is his comment about a guy he hired to run the data base in Texas "amazing 36 year old that is a genius at the computer,he can do some amazing things " might not mean anything on the surface,but for inquiring minds,why mention something like that on the campaign trail-- some of my justification comes from trump's data base center he had or still has in Texas that ties in with the lack of trump having boots on the ground,which is how you grow your data base, if trump doesn't have the people out collecting that data,where is he getting it?

 

So.... no, you do not have verifiable, concrete justification for your belief - you simply believe the prediction models just -couldn't- be wrong so the election -must- have been tampered with.
Thank you .

 

However, it does have to do with how those "pesky" numbers don't match up with our "VAN" system-----just saying----
But, that being said, nothing bars another poster from jumping into a discussion on this forum-----

 

IOW you are afraid to touch it. LOL!!!

First of all, this began way back with vman12 saying "It sounds like you're trying to say someone hacked the actual voting system in those 3 states. Well, we know at least one of them had a recount. How did that go?"

Secondly, it is all verifiable. Crosscheck actually exists and republicans admit it. Secondly they boasted about it eliminating over a million names from voter roles.

Thirdly Snyder is actually on record for stopping the recount.

So you have no legs left to stand on, and your credibility was already in the toilet. The sophistication of your arguments are consistently below that of an uninformed person as is the reliability of what you say.

 

You claimed someone tampered with the election system. Nothing he posted relates to this in even the slightest way.

 

Not it in the slightest - your post is quickly and easily dismissed.

To wit:

This is unsupportable nonsense.

A federal judge, not governor Snyder, stopped the MI recounts.

None of this changes the fact that your post did not address the tampering issue under discussion with Bluebird.

 

If you had bothered to read any of my past posts----I have always maintained that I have no proof---I have explained my justifications & why----I do not believe that I am wrong in my justifications---
So,I find it remarkable that my suspicions meet so much scrutiny when we have a POTUS elect that you all voted for based on nothing but "believe me"----

 

You made it clear you consider Trump illegitimate because you just -know- something was wrong - you just -feel- it.
Thank you

 

That and along with a data base system that is so pin point accurate to believe that somehow data got skewed somehow---And how remarkable it is that so many thousands of experts got it so wrong--And that we continue to see that those pesky numbers keep coming up that are not related to our data system that don't match the outcome--I gave an example on that-recent poll numbers 40% approval vs 60% disapproval even before trump is sworn in--how about you explain that one to us?

 

IOW you are uninformed. I'm not surprised. This confirms what I said ("So you have no legs left to stand on, and your credibility was already in the toilet. The sophistication of your arguments are consistently below that of an uninformed person as is the reliability of what you say.")

I thought you said it was nonsense and unsupportable. I guess if you can correct me on that point, the story must not be nonsense. Such contradictions make you an unreliable source.

 

You made it clear you consider Trump illegitimate because you just -know- something was wrong - you just -feel- it.
Thank you

 

Rather than babble on this drivel, why don't you provide support for your claims?
I, mean other than you know they are nonsense and unsupportable.

My statement disproved a separate part of your attempt at a point.
But, you know that.

 

Well, you seem to want to keep argueing a point that I have already made, repeatedly---I have my reasons & I have explained them--there are investigations going on-I hope they find something to confirm my suspicions-then of course, we have lots to talk about---
But,in the meantime I am entitled to my opinions,I am entitled to my suspicions,I am entitled to stand with Congressman John Lewis & the millions of other United States citizens that do not believe trump is a legitimate POTUS--------

 

I voted for Gary Johnson lol

 

"Kakistocracy"! Wow! Good find! . "Government by the worst persons; a form of government in which the worst persons are in power." Honestly, I had to look this one up!

Again, I'm trying to simply find out whether people think that Trump was elected according to the precepts and wording of the Constitution. I know that we could argue all day about which candidate was worse -- Hillary Clinton, or, Donald Trump. But I'm really trying to avoid having the thread break down into that kind of squabble here. We can always fight it out in a different thread that deals with the qualities of each of these candidates....

I'll make one observation that might surprise you, though. I never was a big Trump enthusiast! My own personal main reason for voting for him was to protect the Supreme Court from any more of the kind of people that Obama had already put on it -- Sotomayor and Kagan. I'll stop right there because I have absolutely nothing good to say about either of those people. I've already written a lot about both of these "Justices" in other threads, and will be happy to do so again... but in other threads.

 

Why do you think that Trump is not a Constitutionally-elected President-Elect, Blue? I'm curious to know what your reasoning is... and I'm curious to know what you base this belief in. Surely you have concrete ideas pointing to why you think this. So, please share them!

 

Usually when someone says Trump isn't a legitimate President they lose all credibility to me. Trump is in fact a legitimately elected President. As was his predecessors. Some I didn't like, some I did, but they we're legitimate. I think the left wing has gone to new heights personally. They screamed, bullied, attacked, and committed crime during the election. The only real tool they have left is to cover their ears and scream NO. Either way Trump is going to be President. Either way he's been doing a lot of great things since election day. I mean when you cry to such an extent you might as well admit you want the nation to fail. That's all it amounts to. That's what others see.