A well regulated militia.

Nearly ALL liberals HATE militias and declare them to be right-wing hate groups.

 

just because they in your opinion were frequently trained, does not negate the legal wording of the document... it does NOT indicate it requires training... the second amendment recognized a well regulated militia is necessary, and as a result it grants the PEOPLE the right to have weapons... it doesn't grant them to the militia in legal context, it doesn't say they must be well trained, it merely says "hey, this is important to have, because of that, we recognize the right of the people to have weapons"...

since you replied to my message before I added the P.S. to it... I'll add it below... since I think its important you read and understand sentence structure...

P.S. I thought I would add the second amendment below, so we can read it together... we see they recognize a well regulated militia is important, to secure the state, and the right of the PEOPLE (not the militia) shall not be infringed... you see how the PEOPLE are granted the right, not the militia specifically, but for those who always want to take this militia argument, I say every male who registers for the draft, is in fact legally recognized by the american government as militia... so which way you want it?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

P.S.S. take a moment to look up the word infringed in the dictionary too... (taps his finger on the nose)... limiting and undermining their ability, is something the government SHALL NOT do...

 

Yes those people should be well trained so they can be well regulated

 

Feel sorry for yourself because you are a government lackey. Now THAT is sad.

 

You still have nothing to add but insults.

 

Sure. Keep on whining. You are wrong and have been wrong throughout the entire thread. That is all there is to it!

 

I'm not opposed to training, but the american government, has determined, as of now, you're only mandated to register for the draft, they so far have not required any mandatory training upon registration... however they WILL mandate training if they activate you in the draft... so is it the fault of the people the government is not keeping them well regulated? or is it the fault of the government who is attempting to take away their arms, despite making them militia...

did you even bother to recognize the sentence structure of the second amendment... or did you gloss over that point because it really (*)(*)(*)(*)s with your stance?

"because we recognize this is important, we shall not infringe on the right of the people"

nowhere does it say you must receive training to be authorized to obtain this right, please show me where it says training is required, and what that training is, all it says is that they recognize the value of something, and as a result they grant the PEOPLE (not the militia) the right that SHALL NOT be infringed...

 

They misrepresent what it says on purpose, and THAT is why they are only deserving of contempt by true Americans who believe in our natural rights.

 

Being someone who probably has never touched a gun, I'm sure you don't realize that it doesn't take 8 years of Evil Accuracy School to use a gun defensively.

She's not assaulting pill-boxes, forming a skirmish left, or setting up a FEBA.

Learning how to properly carry, draw, put sights on target, and pull the trigger firmly but evenly to the rear takes practice, but not necessarily a lot of training.

 

well don't try to stand next to me and pound your chest... I personally support background checks for every sale and transfer, I also support restrictions in type of gun purchased... so I'm not the best person to stand next to if you want to say true americans who believe in natural rights... I simply enjoy destroying democrats who abuse their creative english skills to reimagine what words truly mean compared to what they want them to mean... so I likely support more gun laws that you would care to be associated with... I think its only fair I inform you of that before you stand next to me and beat your chest... I just hate smug liberals who twist words to vilify others...

 

You are missing the point. It says the militia should be well regulated. That means training. There is nothing in the constitution preventing laws require training. We already have them for CCW. It would be a small step to add them for ownership to ENSURE or militia is well regulated. If the militia is called up....shouldn't they already be trained like it was in the founding fathers day.

 

Sorry no the necessity of a militia is why every citizen ought to be armed to the extent he wishes to be.

 

The truth is often painful.

Like they say, to make a conservative angry, lie to them. To make a liberal angry, tell them the truth.

 

Proof of this practice will be sufficient. I mean I agree with you....it takes lots of practice

 

The Bill of Rights is FOR the PEOPLE. It does not give the government "rights." It limits the scope of governmental power over we the people.

 

it does NOT say the militia should be well trained... it says it RECOGNIZES the importance of a well regulated militia... and because it recognizes the importance it grants the PEOPLE the right, not the militia, nor does it state they must be trained in order to recognize that right... use your grade school reading comprehension skills and stop substituting your liberal rhetoric to change words and sentence structure into something else... thats dishonest at best...

if the second amendment was written a different way like lets say... "we shall not infringe on the right to bear arms, in order to form a well regulated militia" then you ALL DAY could rip apart and destroy every conservative argument about passing ALL the gun laws you want and forcing them to get training before owning one... but its NOT written that way, its written in the exact opposite way... they recognize the well regulated militia is important, therefor, the PEOPLE have a right that shall not be infringed, not the militia... you can control the weapons the military uses all day long if you want, but the PEOPLE were granted the right, not the militia... no training required...

 

No, it doesn't mean that at all.

Militias have to be formed on short notice.

In order for the militia to be formed, and function, on short notice, the individual members must come prepared.

That is why each and every american has the right to own a gun, without interference from the government on such matters.

The Bill of Rights clearly protects the rights of individuals. The 2A is as protected as the 1A, and the protections afforded are the same.

Store owners in Ferguson formed a milita to protect their livelihoods, as did the store owners during the LA riots. It will again be necessary when the government fails to protect us.

 

If you want to participate in discussion, you should at LEAST know what the Bill of Rights is!!!

 

Wow that was a whole post without a insult and actually contributed to the debate. Good job. I agree completely. But all rights are limited. ALL OF THEM. We are now discussing a particular one. Training.

 

You may be a gun owner but you are one ignorant gun owner.

 

A U.S Marine is made in 12 weeks, with yearly rifle qualifications.

I doubt you'd want to get in a gun fight with one, despite that.

 

Your wish to turn the right into an organized armed adversary of progressivism is of course another excellent reason for our society to revoke the legality of private citizens owning firearms.

 

If they must come prepared then they must come trained. Otherwise make sure you are down range of me on manuevers. LOL

 

They're not as limited as you'd like. They're limited when they infringe on someone elses rights, and thats it.

You can no more require weapons training than you can require a Ph.D. before posting on the internet.

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I don't believe you know anything about guns, and I certainly don't believe you were ever in the military.

That is a personal opinion though and of course I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

 

You honestly think the founding fathers did not want a well regulated militia? They WANTED people who could show up trained to do the job. An untrained militia is called a mob. That is not what the founders wanted.

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Well you are factually incorrect but you may believe whatever you like.

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Yes every marine is a trained rifleman (except the marine corps band). 12 weeks would be plenty of training for the militia