Clarity is not always a strength on the part of myself when addressing certain participants in a discussion. Indeed not. Both parties are equally responsible for their own actions, and by extension the consequences of those actions.
A fair question. What does the presence and participation of yourself, myself, or any other random individual present, ultimately serve that is beneficial to others? All the more reason for all participants to exercise proper restraint and refrain from taking unnecessary risks if they are unable to deal with the consequences of their own actions.
Such is not what is being said. What was being said in the quoted post, was clarification of what was being said by another member who was being misrepresented by the individual responding to them.
FoxHastings said: ↑ . YES, many Anti-Choice posters have said EXACTLY that..... Uh DUH, that's giving up sex.... That doesn't make much sense at all.....so you think people unable to care for a child should be jailed or institutionalized?!! WTF.... Why should they do what you want them to do? If they don't want a baby they don't want a baby..... Why should fetuses be saved from abortion? But you can't refute any of it Give up already, women have sex and abortions, always have and always will ...and there is nothing you can do about it except MYOB...
Again, show such. Present the citations and quotations of the members who have stated such. It is indeed very much relevant. It is a valid analogy. If it is unacceptable for one to refrain from sexual encounters under one standard, why it is not unacceptable under all standards? If such is the position of yourself, then actually prove such. Thus demonstrating what was stated earlier. Such is the problem with the human species. For all of its technological developments and society, it is nothing more than yet another dumb species in the animal kingdom, made up of individuals with no self control, who believe they must act upon an impulse the moment they become aware of it, all the while believing they should not have to deal with the negative consequences of such behavior. Why do certain individuals demonstrate the ability to exercise self-restraint, while others conduct themselves as if they do not possess such an ability? Why to certain individuals choose to act like dumb animals when there is no need for such?
There are individuals in the world who want to murder others for any number of reasons. Should they be allowed to do such simply because it is what they want to do? Freedom comes with responsibility. Part of responsibility is self-restraint, and not giving into base impulses like some dumb animal that is bred for food.
Murder is a crime and having sex isn't....no, really sex is not a crime no matter what you think.. ..and part of "responsibility" is taking care of your problems. YOU don't get to dictate how that is done or what the "responsible" thing to do is... """and not giving into base impulses like some dumb animal that is bred for food."" Your opinion of women noted , but no surprise..
In truth it is the position of yourself that is actually denigrating members of the female half of the human species.
Oh? And how am I doing that? By insisting they have the same rights YOU have!!! By insisting women are humans and should have the same freedom and liberty other humans have ? By insisting it's ASSinine to claim having sex is a crime?? NO, YOU said, ""like some dumb animal that is bred for food"" Humans do NOT need your permission to have sex, get over it!
All the Anti's seem to have is a bucket load of "shoulds" and they will never see that that hasn't worked
By engaging in a pattern of conduct that suggests the female half of the species is in need of having abortion services because they are not capable of knowing any better, and cannot be expected to act in a mature manner that involves refraining from sexual encounters if they are not prepared to face the consequences of their actions. Such as the right to not be a slave to base impulses and desires, and actually demonstrate and exercise self restraint? Freedom and liberty come with responsibility. If one cannot be responsible, they ultimately forfeit their freedom and liberty. Such is why due process exists. No such claim was made on the part of myself. What was actually stated on the part of myself: Freedom comes with responsibility. Part of responsibility is self-restraint, and not giving into base impulses like some dumb animal that is bred for food. Pray tell, what exactly is so wrong with the concept of an individual exercising not only self-restraint, but individual thought, rather than acting upon matters of impulse?
You are missing the point. Most poor people in the US are people of color, and that is because of centuries old racism.
[ Baloney...quit trying to pin denigrating women on me when you were the one who posted like some dumb animal that is bred for food."" I'm the one who said :"" By insisting they have the same rights YOU have!!! By insisting women are humans and should have the same freedom and liberty other humans have ? By insisting it's ASSinine to claim having sex is a crime?? They have that right...it is NOT an obligation. They have no obligation to do what YOU think is right. Women are not slaves to their base impulses and desires any more than you are... YOU just don't like the idea that they can have sex whenever they feel like just like you can. RUBBISH! NO one has to live up to YOUR idea of responsibility or loose their rights...what crap! Right here: "" Xenamnes said: ↑ There are individuals in the world who want to murder others for any number of reasons. Should they be allowed to do such simply because it is what they want to do?"""""" There is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is insisting that women who have sex are """"" like some dumb animal that is bred for food."""" What is wrong is insisting that women have only as much sex as you want them to have. What is wrong is thinking YOU decide what is or isn't responsible for others....
What is done on the part of yourself is attempting to debunk myths. As is what is ultimately being engaged in on the part of myself as well. But as is being witnessed in this discussion and others, there are those who are dedicated to believing myths above all else, and refusing to consider anything that undermines their preconceived notions of the world.
Then stop taking things out of context, and cite the whole statement when addressing others. What is considered so wrong with an individual refraining from engaging in risky behavior, that has the very real possibility of producing consequences they cannot afford? They do, however, have an obligation to themselves. Parental rights are severed and terminated all the time, even when the parents have done nothing wrong. The same goes for a myriad of other constitutionally recognized and protected rights. Which does not say what is being claimed on the part of yourself. Learn how to use the quote feature properly when addressing others. Is it not being stated that those who engage in sexual encounters are no different from livestock animals. Do not intentionally misrepresent what is said as such again, or you will be reported for such. What was actually stated, pertains to members of the human race demonstrating that they are not dumb animals, no different from cows or any other species that is bred for food production. Part of that demonstration is not engaging in sexual encounters simply because one wants to at that particular point in time. That failure to demonstrate restraint, that obsession is casual sexual encounters with random strangers, is why the united states is currently besieged by the AIDS epidemic as it is. Too many individuals believing that sexual encounters should come with no strings attached, and be casual between strangers who meet up, all without even considering the use of proper contraceptives, has resulted in the rapid and unchecked spread of sexually transmitted diseases, and the evolution of said diseases to become incurable with existing medications. Such is the price paid by everyone for sexual freedom; a death sentence. If it is not a death sentence for the fetus and the child it will grow into, it is a death sentence for the adults who contact syphilis, gonorrhea, HIV, AIDS, or any number of other antibiotic-resistant sexually transmitted diseases. These individuals will grow ill, they will suffer, and they will ultimately die excruciating deaths, all because they could not be bothered to exercise self control or self restraint.
It didn't need the context, it was it's own context. Once AGAIN, there is nothing wrong with it....it's just none of your business what others do with their life if it doesn't affect you in any way and it doesn't. That is for THEM to decide...and they have NO obligation to you whatsoever. NO one has to live up to YOUR idea of responsibility or loose their rights...what crap! Ooops, you didn't like seeing the proof... XenamnesWell-Known Member ↑ There are individuals in the world who want to murder others for any number of reasons. Should they be allowed to do such simply because it is what they want to do? Freedom comes with responsibility. Part of responsibility is self-restraint, and not giving into base impulses like some dumb animal that is bred for food. """""""""""""""""""""""""""" . See above . Totally irrelevant to people ( women) having the freedom and liberty of choice...and anything else we were discussing.. Nice speech but has nothing to do with humans right to their own bodies and the right to decide for themselves what path their life will take......and absolutely nothing to do with abortion. Find the General Rant Forum for that stuff
I noticed how you grouped all non-whites as "people of color" instead of being honest and listing them by their race. Selling racism does require a lot of misrepresentation.
If something is actually going to be said on the part of yourself, do try and deliver the message in a coherent fashion.
Pretending that I haven't 'offered a plan' is funny, but feeble. And my suggestion is 100% viable, plenty of people manage to do it. There would be far more than 7 billion of us is that weren't so. ALL of us are obliged to practice abstinence for short periods in our lives - for a thousand different reasons. Yes, even women. Does that level of female autonomy disturb you?
I'm not misrepresenting anything. Racism is not actually the accurate term. 'White' America is the dominant majority in the country, so far, which means, essentially, people of Western European ancestry. Prejudice in the US consists of 'white' America having most of the power, privilege and money. Most poor people in America are brown or black and are either African American or come from Asia, Latin America or Africa. That is a fact, and they are poor not because they are lazy or stupid but because they look different and come from what the god of White America, DJT, calls shithole countries.
The scope of this dialog is limited to women in 'ordinary' circumstances - not rape victims, victims of child abuse, nor recently bereaved widows. If you have to go to these far less common outlier cases, you may want to rethink your position. My plan, AGAIN, is to manage my own life, and teach my daughter to do the same with hers. It's not my business to 'control' other women. I'm pro choice, and anti-abortion. See if you can process that. As for 'education' - here I am, openly and publicly discussing prevention. Would you prefer I keep that to myself, so that no woman ever gets funny ideas about managing their own lives?
Interesting. When you consider what percentage of our population is white and then look at the percentage of whites living in poverty, the truth is that there is not a big difference. Also, these people coming from what you call shithole countries are 4 times more likely to become millionaires. Maybe you haven't had a chance to convince them they are victims yet!
