Abortion ban amendment shot down in Kansas doesn't bode well for Repubss

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  1. LangleyMan

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    The government telling women they must bear children is intolerable. They're dictating the course of women's lives. We don't need life imitating The Handmaid's Tale.
     
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    The correct translation of the Hebrew is "murder" not kill.

    https://www.gotquestions.org/you-shall-not-murder.html

    "Simply stated, the sixth of the Ten Commandments forbids the unjustified taking of a human life. However, the commandment itself has a couple of interesting elements that bear mentioning. First and foremost, different Bible translations give the appearance of different meanings, and there is potential for misunderstanding the actual meaning of the verse. Second, man was never created for the act of murdering another, and there needs to be an explanation for such a violent and final act towards another human being. Third, because of the translational challenge, we need to understand the difference between “murder” and “killing.” And last but not least, how does God view murder? To God, murder is not just physical in nature but also the condition of one’s heart towards another.

    There are two different Hebrew words (ratsakh, mut) and two Greek words (phoneuo, apokteino) for “murder” and “killing.” One means “to put to death,” and the other means “to murder.” The latter one is the one prohibited by the Ten Commandments, not the former. In fact, ratsakh has a broader definition than the English word “murder.” Ratsakh also covers deaths due to carelessness or neglect but is never used when describing killing during wartime. That is why most modern translations render the sixth commandment “You shall not murder” rather than “You shall not kill.” However, a very large issue can arise depending on which translation one studies. The ever-popular King James Version renders the verse as “Thou shalt not kill,” therefore opening the door to misinterpreting the verse altogether. If the intended meaning of “Thou shalt not kill” was just that—no killing—it would render all of the God-endorsed bloodletting done by the nation of Israel a violation of God’s own commandment (Deuteronomy 20). But God does not break His own commandments, so, clearly, the verse does not call for a complete moratorium on the taking of another human life."
     
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    For some people that's true. Morals that are situational are not morals at all.
     
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    And, once again - that fact didn't show in Kansas. I think you're grasping at straws; abortion doesn't poll very high on voter concerns right now.
     
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    There is no evidence the abortion issue will benefit one party over the other.
     
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    Tell that to PDS.
     
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    All morals are situational.
     
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    Nope.
     
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    Thou shalt not kill, UNLESS its self defense, UNLESS its defense of others, UNLESS etc. I assume your pro-life do you have a rape/incest exception?
     
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    Like I said, situational.
     
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    Well, it certainly is for Democrats/leftists. Only do what's moral if it's easy, if it's not easy, scr*w it, do whatever you want. Thus, killing a baby in the womb is no problem at all..
     
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    Ever done it?
     
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    Have I ever been true to my moral positions even when I could have benefited materially if I hadn't? Yes.
     
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    Nooo. Thus, killing a baby in the womb is no problem at all. Have you ever done it?
     
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    No, I haven't. That, to me, is murder.
     
  17. Patricio Da Silva

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    And we know that polls don't always reflect how people actually vote.
     
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    Then you have no right or ability to judge someone on how "easy" it is.
     
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    I'm talking about the vote! It's kinda the topic of this thread.
     
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    Of course I do.
     
  21. Cybred

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    You can get pregnant?
     
  22. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I responded to your comment:

    ... abortion doesn't poll very high on voter concerns right now.
     
  23. Bullseye

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    Fine, point still is valid.
     
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    ya silly me. Why should woman be held to account for their actions and not use murder as a means to get out from under their responsabilities...

    if the people want to outlaw or make abortion less widley used that's how it's gonna be
     
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    Why do you get to tell women how to take care of their responsibility's?
     

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