Abortion is Better than the Alternative

And you can pretend that a zygote is an actual person but your opinion does not make it fact. Where is your evidence?

 

No way. You need to learn to read and think. This is the OP's thesis:

Note what I put in red. Clearly the metric for killing is the net worth to society. There is nothing in the OP that limits the thesis to unborn children.

And why do you care? Did the OP strike a little too closely to abortions kissing cousin of economically and politically based involuntary euthanasia?

 

I'm sure you'll hide from this post, too, but again you're wrong when you post, ""There is nothing in the OP that limits the thesis to unborn children.""

Ya, the word "abortion" does....look it up....

 

And your total lack of facts to refute Random's post is noted........and Random's post doesn't need to be repeated for posters who understand it...


At least when he repeats his posts it 's facts, not mere opinion like your repetitive posts

 

If you had bothered to read my post, you would not ask such a foolish question.

 

I decide My Medical issues, hence the reason why I studied Medicine.

A Woman has a Right to have an Abortion, She also should avail Herself of the educational resources about contraception, and health risks of Abortion in order to make an informed decission.

 

Hide? No, I ignore posts from people who have nothing to say, or who repeat the same old lines which have been debated repeatedly to a pointless end.

Read the OP, and then actually think. When you post something of consequence and worth my time, I will reply.

 

LOL you got owned, you troll.

 

One thing I find interesting about this debate is that many OB/GYN physicians perform D and C procedures for medical reasons having nothing to do with elective abortions. Yet pro choice people have no problem allowing those same physicians the choice of performing the same procedure for the reason of elective abortion.
If nothing is wrong with abortion, and the doctor does perform the D and C procedure for women, whats the problem? Aren't they discriminating against pro choice women who want to get rid of their pregnancy?

 

But YOU "repeat the same old lines which have been debated repeatedly to a pointless end."""....(and you are proven wrong repeatedly)......but people are honest enough to reply to your posts....




You: """When you post something of consequence and worth my time, I will reply. """

You just can't see that is another way of saying, """You stumped me, you are correct but I can't refute it so I have to ignore it """

It is obvious to others....

 

Anti-Choicers are the only ones who bring up this illogical pointless question : ""Would you have rather your parents had aborted you rather than bring you to term "

That is where you said you were Anti-Choice.



You stated : """Abortion is a medical procedure, it may be indicated in circumstances of severe physical deformity, neurological defect, or major organ defects or absense, in cases of incest, rape, or cases of underaged patients that are not capable of safely bringing a child to term.""""


THAT is where you said you are Anti-Choice, YOU are attempting to limit abortion to your reasons. You left out,"because a woman does not want to be pregnant".



You: """Abortion is NOT a simple Medical procedure, there are attendant health risks, as with any surgical procedure, and these risks are why Abortion is not like getting a haircut, or had for frivilous reasons due to the risks.""


All of which is a woman's business and no one else's...

Guess what? Pregnancy and childbirth ""is NOT a simple Medical procedure, there are attendant health risks, as with any surgical procedure, and these risks are why (PREGNANCY) is not like getting a haircut, or had for frivilous reasons due to the risks.""



Where did you say you were Anti-Choice ?

Here : ""Abortion should not simply be a method of retroactive birth control, because two people were hasty and did not use contraceptive methods"""

 

I am having a really hard time understanding what you meant

 

Nobody can possibly think abortion is something good. Abortion is something one is forced to do because, let's face it, nobody wants an abortion. It is not something people strive to have.

It is irrelevant to talk about abortion in terms of murder or not-murder. What one should do instead, is to talk about why people choose to have abortions and from that discuss the matter andcome with possible solutions.

This has been put under the spotlight time and time again: abortions is the result of "unwanted" pregnancies and unwanted pregnancies are the resulf of either rape or "casual sex". Most people who oppose abortion are against the ones resulting from the latter, that is "casual sex". These pregnancies are very easy to prevent and reduce.

IFor anyone old enough to have an abortion, I should nit have to explain how.

 

The way the woman got pregnant should not have anything to do with her right to have an abortion....

 

Not what I said.

If she by herself or together with her partner funds it herself/themselves it is all good. What I said was that it is not really that hard to prevent a situation where you need an abortion when it comes to consentual sex.

To me abortion remains a not-so-good thing.

I also said that there is nobody who aims towards an unwanted pregnancy. I doubt "Having an abortion" is on yours or anyone else's bucket list.

 

The problem with your view is that you are stubbornly one-dimensional- not only do you view the issue solely from the woman's perspective (ignoring the fetus/child and man), but also do you not even try to understand your opponent, automatically assuming they are anti-woman and therefore immediately assert to bully techniques of name-calling and unfounded accusations of misogyny.

 

I think maybe conservative_frk was pointing out that the doctor who performs a D and C for a woman (without even caring if it eliminated a pregnancy) is being hypocritical if he refuses to perform a very similar procedure for a pro-choice woman who intentionally wants to eliminate a pregnancy.

 

A fetus has no rights in law
A rapist has no rights in a pregnancy from his crime
Very few aborted pregnancies start out with a consensual plan to have a child
I do not see how a man who initiated a pregnancy as an act of mutual lust is then granted some extraordinary right to demand that his partner unwillingly bear his child

The results of a a pregnancy are very much different for a man and a woman
For a woman, it is an event that will irrevocably alter her life
The man may, and often does, simply walk away with few concerns or second thoughts

 

Not in the slightest, a doctor can choose whether to perform the D & C procedure whether it is for abortion or not .. I personally have no problems what so ever with a doctor using this procedure for an abortion.

 

It is solely the woman's perspective that is important, it is her body that is being used without her consent .. what ever led to that situation is irrelevant, we do not blame a woman who invited a man to her house for coffee who then rapes her do we?


Although there are probably some people out there who would say she deserved it.

Sexual intercourse is merely placing oneself at risk from becoming pregnant and of course there are means and methods to reduce that risk (perhaps if the majority of pro-lifers didn't oppose comprehensive sex education and free at source contraception the number of unintended pregnancies would reduce and so would abortions) ... but ... in the end we as a society do not expect people to suffer injuries because the took a risk.

The very method that most pro-lifers debate with gives the impression that they are "anti-women" in some respects, they seem to have no issues with violating a pregnant woman's rights but wail if anyone should even suggest that their rights be violated.

I just find it hypocritical that most pro-lifers follow the same path -

1. Girl has full rights
2. girl becomes pregnant and loses right to decide who, what, where and when her body is used without her permission
3. Fetus gains the right to impose on and injure another person without consent
4. on the advent of birth the now born child loses the right to impose on another person without consent
5. girl regains her full rights.

Why are they so free and easy with other peoples rights, granting and taking them away as they see fit.

 

I suppose the word abortion doesn't actually mean anything to you then .. perhaps you can give me an example of an abortion being performed on a born child?

Abortion - The deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks.

Just how many born children are there in a pregnancy?

 

There was no name calling.

And I have the perspective of those who believe in rights and abortion rights should certainly be based solely from the woman's perspective since ONLY women get pregnant.

Whether sex was consensual or not, it does not matter when it comes to abortion rights... do you agree with : ""The way the woman got pregnant should not have anything to do with her right to have an abortion"""" ????



It does NOT matter if she used birth control and it failed (they do) or she didn't use any. NO woman is under any obligation to use birth control...

 

Actually, the majority of women who abort are in stable, long term relationships. So, no, not all (not even a majority) of abortions are from "rape or casual sex".