Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

I guess my hyperbole went right over your head. Of course there is no baby parts discount program, Abortionists get their specimens for free!

Over 2000 fetuses found at abortion doctors home? That's more twisted than Jeffrey Dahmer, and Im not kidding. You are seeing evil on a whole new level.

 

And this foetal tissue, that would otherwise go in an incinerator, were doing what?

They were going to research, research that may well lead to cures for liver diseases, and cancer etc.

 

And where was the oversight of that abortionist?

This is exactly why abortion MUST be legal with strict government oversight. Contrary to popular belief there are reasons to collect foetal specimens

Museum Vrolik in the Netherlands has added enormously to medical knowledge and started as a private collection

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/museum-vrolik

 

Oh BS...

NOT proof of anything.....

Where are the court records showing that Planned Parenthood sells baby parts and was CONVICTED of it ?

WHERE TF is it??? NO WHERE

Planned Parenthood doesn't possess "baby parts"....so could not possibly have sold them.



LOL, Ya must've got tired of defending the Nazis and had to drag up this old debunked crap that all Anti-Choicers dig up when they have nothing else....

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Now PROVE there is a """ Planned Parenthood Employee Baby Parts Discount Program."""

OH, NOW the story changes AGAIN!!!!

First Planned Parenthood is making millions SELLING baby parts....and when asked for proof you HAVE to change your story....


WHAT has 2,000 fetuses found at a doctors home have to do with PLanned Parenthood????


If he had them at home then how was he selling them...DUH, he was keeping them....and DUH he isn't Planned parenThood.

Are you going to blame Planned pARENTHOOD FOR EVERY BANK ROBBERY???


So enjoyable watching the flailing around and the TOTAL LACK OF PROOF OF ANYTHING YOU CLAIM!

 

NOT proof of anything.....

Where are the court records showing that Planned Parenthood sells baby parts and was CONVICTED of it ?

WHERE TF is it???

Planned Parenthood doesn't possess "baby parts"....so could not possibly have sold them.

 

You cannot be serious. We are addressing two issues here.. debating two separate points but both relate to the abortion industry.

Both kill unborn children. Both part of the abortion industry. Both have had allegations of misconduct. Both kill babies after birth.

Right... That makes perfect sense! All done in the name of science! LOL lies and damage control. Do not be deceived people! Now pay close attention.

A private collection that is kept hidden even to his wife and everyone else in the world... very interesting... a collection dedicated to... death?

And of course, they found 165 more preserved fetal remains in the trunk of his Mercedes Benz... I'm guessing he was on his way to the museum and about ready to show the world his beautiful collection of dead fetuses preserved in jars?

A secret collection indeed it was. But not in the name of science - in the name of death. Make no mistake, this abortionist HATED unborn children. He preserved the remains as trophies and memories of the killings he administered ( he performed over 50,000 abortions in total). These were his victims and he wanted them on display permanently (for him an him alone) because the guy was a sociopath killer to the highest degree. Looking at these specimens would bring him back to the killing or the memory of the killing. This is very typical serial killer behavior. Take Jeffrey Dahmer, for example. He saved decapitated heads, torsos, arms, muscles, genitals and other horrific keepsakes. He wanted to keep his memory of the murder alive... to take him back to that time and that place.

This guy HATED America and did his part to destroy us from the inside

The rancor he generated in life only deepened after his death at 79 last month, when 2,246 sets of preserved fetal remains were discovered stacked floor to ceiling in a garage at his suburban Chicago home.

Weeks later, 165 more sets were found in the trunk of a Mercedes-Benz at a business where Klopfer kept several cars.

Did I mention he was a liberal democrat?

 

you missed my point

Government oversight

Keep it legal.

Otherwise you get instances like this as well as more Gosnells

 

They are actually in court right now getting a major beatdown - you should be following the trial closely... you are witnessing the initial weakening of Planned Parenthood... these are the tremors for the earthquake that is to come. The TRUTH cannot be hidden any longer!

Don't play dumb. You and I both know whats going on here. You know the truth but you could care less about the truth. You can bend and manipulate the laws to suite your needs. That's typical liberal logic, and you fit that to a tee. In any event, "baby parts" are sold by Planned Parenthood at a profit.

In a statement, the Center for Medical Progress said, "Planned Parenthood, StemExpress, and David Daleiden’s sworn courtroom testimony the past two weeks has demonstrated the only people who committed crimes in connection with the undercover videos are the Planned Parenthood leaders who sold baby parts, not CMP’s successful undercover journalists. There was never any legal reason to prosecute CMP investigators for recording public conversations. This sham case was launched by dirty political dealings between Planned Parenthood and Kamala Harris and must be thrown out so the justice system can finally focus on the real criminals who sold baby body parts."

[Y]et another video has been released this morning showing undercover footage of a senior Planned Parenthood official haggling about the price for the harvesting and sale of organs from butchered babies.

In the latest video, a different senior official from Planned Parenthood discusses using “less crunchy” techniques to get more “whole specimens,” haggles over the price for organs while saying she doesn’t want to lowball the price, and jokes, “let me just figure out what others are getting, if this is in the ballpark, it’s fine, if it’s still low then we can bump it up. I want a Lamborghini.”
The more we learn about the facts from senior Planned Parenthood officials discussing the crushing and selling of unborn baby parts, the more appalling it all becomes.

It’s no wonder Planned Parenthood is suing these pro-life activists who exposed the horrific truth about what it was doing. This is why we have to keep fighting to defend the rights of pro-life journalists and free speech, in order to expose and defund taxpayer supported Planned Parenthood.

 

Link to court case please

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood_2015_undercover_videos_controversy

If Mike “vaginal probe” Pence could find no wrongdoing........

 

It's just the tip of the iceberg. You know it and I know it. I will be revealing more and more evil from the abortion industry and the sale of baby parts over the coming days. I will also be talking about the master abortionist enthusiast Doctor who preserved over 2000 dead babies packed away in his garage and car. We will be breaking down his ideology and getting to motive. This stuff is gross and stomach churning. Not for the faint of heart!

It's called a debate, you might not understand what's going on here but please try not to be so ignorant of the truth. There is a lot here you just scan over, then you say BS at the end. I recommend you go back and re read my posts because you are missing the point entirely, that Planned Parenthood is selling baby parts for profit. Can you think of anything more vile and disgusting than that?

Im not switching subjects we can talk about BOTH issues since this thread serves as a sounding board for basic abortion debate.

 

In other words you have no proof otherwise you would post it now

 

Oh there is wrongdoing... and lots of it. I think you and I both know whats going on at your local planned parenthood. It's bad. Its really bad, and I will be exposing the depth of this madness and evil in the coming days. Stay tuned!

A Planned Parenthood CEO refused to answer questions Friday about her failure to reprimand a doctor who was secretly filmed boasting about “less crunchy” abortion techniques so as to acquire better body parts for sale.



Link to court case:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/watc...crunchy-abortion-technique-to-increase-profit

https://aclj.org/pro-life/planned-p...to-compensation-for-aborted-babies-body-parts

Our trial begins next week and may last weeks or more. But every defenseless baby that’s been slaughtered, and then had its body parts sold to profit an already immense abortion empire deserves every ounce of effort we can give. If we don’t fight, abortionists might continue the gruesome trade of selling innocent babies for profit.

That cannot happen again. And we will keep fighting to ensure it does not. We will keep you updated as the trial gets underway.

But as we prepare to go to court next week, we need YOU with us.

https://aclj.org/pro-life/aclj-begi...anned-parenthood-regarding-ghoulish-practices

https://aclj.org/pro-life/witness-t...y-opens-door-for-exposing-appalling-practices

Planned Parenthood Houston Admits Accounting Gimmicks Hide Baby Parts Sales, Invoices Charge Thousands of Dollars

The system of accounting gimmicks and dual invoicing for “consent” payments in place of fetal specimens that Melissa Farrell describes in the video bears a striking resemblance to invoices submitted by Farrell on behalf of PPGC to the University of Texas Medical Branch in 2010 and 2011. In these documents, obtained through a Public Information Act request, two PPGC invoices for the exact same billing period charge $25 per “Consents obtained,” with a total quantity of 32, and in the same time period charges $150 per “Consent payment” for a smaller quantity of 25. This is consistent with a scheme where Planned Parenthood charged $25 to consent abortion patients to supply fetal tissue, and then charged another $150 for each usable fetal specimen that UTMB could procure.

The total billing from Planned Parenthood for this tissue procurement was over $8,000. The sale, offer to sell, or transfer of human fetal tissue for valuable consideration is a crime under Texas Penal Code 48.02.

 

3 links to “pro-life” sites and an op-Ed by a known “pro-lifer”
Let us look at a non biased site to see what is what

https://www.engadget.com/2019/10/03/google-and-ivanka-trump-tech-job-training-program/

Ooooh! Looking here! The court case is actually about PP suing

https://www.courthousenews.com/abortion-foes-videos-spurred-safety-concerns-clinic-workers-testify/

 

Did it ever cross into your conscious thought that perhaps you should look into the actual content of the videos? You think all these high level planned parenthood people are just "joking around" when they discuss abhorrent procedures and methods of sale and harvesting? No this is serious business and I think you need to take this seriously. And the tables are turning on PP as we speak:

As we’ve told you, Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) and its affiliates filed this lawsuit seeking to discredit and silence the investigative journalists because they recorded its officials in undercover videos.

Now the truth of Planned Parenthood’s actions is coming to light. In fact, the defense was able to show a video to the jury that further exposed the fetal tissue procurement and abortion industries. We’ve previously explained how throughout this trial Planned Parenthood has been fighting to keep the reality of what is occurring in these industries from coming before the jury.

The video that was allowed to be played in its entirety was a segment on the ABC News program 20/20 that was first aired in 2000. It featured undercover video of conversations between a 20/20 producer posing as a potential investor, and Dr. Miles Jones, a Missouri Pathologist, regarding disturbing practices in the fetal tissue procurement and abortion industries.

This video was shown to the jury, much to the chagrin of Planned Parenthood
It would behoove you to watch from beginning to end and start to take this stuff to heart. You are in an impossible position. You are defending an organization and an industry that traffics in baby parts. This is purely for profit. Turning human fetuses in to a commodity is not what our founding fathers had in mind when they founded this great nation. And Planned Parenthood is going down!

 

Here is a good website that both of us can accept. You should watch the video link from start to finish and then we can discuss. Very powerful moments and the tide is turning on PP and their evil house of cards is coming down!

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/201...lling-aborted-baby-parts-a-lucrative-business

One of the biggest pro-life cases in the last twenty years is still underway in California. The non-profit law firm Liberty Counsel reported that more witness and evidence presentations happened this week.

In the federal civil trial, Planned Parenthood is suing The Center for Medical Progress founder David Daleiden and others for their undercover videos that allegedly show workers for the nation's largest abortion provider discussing the trafficking of human baby body parts.

The videos sparked national outrage and congressional investigations with findings of illegal actions by abortion providers and fetal tissue procurement companies.

Judge William Orrick made clear that actual facts of abortion procedures or the selling of body parts would not be allowed at the trial, according to The Washington Times.

But as CBN News has reported, facts about abortion procedures and the harvesting of body parts have slipped out when Planned Parenthood attorneys inadvertently opened the door in their questioning.

This week, witnesses for Planned Parenthood included founder/president Linda Tracy and procurement manager Perrin Larton of Advanced Bioscience Resources, Inc. (ABR), a US wholesaler of aborted baby body parts since 1989. ABR's yearly revenues are about $1.1 to $1.5 million, all from harvesting and purchasing babies' livers, lungs, and brains in abortion facilities and re-selling the body parts to taxpayer-funded research laboratories at enormous mark-up prices.

Larton also testified that she does not recant any of the statements she made to Daleiden about babies falling out intact for organ harvesting and that ABR could receive intact fetuses as frequently as every couple of months.

A part of one video shows an abortionist, identified as Dr. Mary Gatter, the president of the Medical Directors' Council for Planned Parenthood Federation of America, laughing about how much money they can make.

"The testimony itself is very shocking," he said. "When you have a Planned Parenthood abortionist testifying that they wanted a Lamborghini for aborted babies' body parts. When you have another one, the video was actually played for the jury of an abortionist saying that they were 'crushing babies' in different ways in order to better harvest their organs. That video was played for the jury."

"The first time that one of these videos was played for the jury – a very powerful moment," Clark told CBN News. "And then that abortionist was asked on the stand what they thought of what they said. And they said it didn't really matter. It didn't bother them."

"I think what you're seeing is the tide kind of turning that the specific things that Planned Parenthood wanted to keep out of the trial are actually coming into the trial," he continued. "The jury is able to see it; it's making a powerful impact."

 

Well, there are rapists and bank robbers so I guess that means we are all rapists and bank robbers ...that's your "logic"...




Why do you think you can keep saying things that aren't true and for which YOU HAVE NEVER PROVIDED PROOF and expect anyone to believe you ?


Did you think that would make you credible ??


Uh, it doesn't...oh, the rabid women haters will believe every word....but they are few and can be controlled so they don't really count

 

SO YOU COULD NOT PROVE PLANNED PARENTHOOD DID ANYTHING ILLEGAL …

I am not surprised....every time an Anti-Choice/Anti-Women "person" says Planned Parenthood did something horrible...…

THEY NEVER HAVE PROOF...

 

Here's actual FACTS :

Here they go again MINIMIZING what the Jews endured by claiming it wasn't murder !!!!( AGREEING WITH THE NAZIS!!!!!)

You and the Nazis may not have called it murder but the entire rest of the world did !!!!!



The UNBORN have no rights.

The BORN do.


GET OVER IT! YOU LOST!

In abortion the fetus dies a quick painless death and to compare that to the horrors of what Jews suffered is despicable!





The most despicable act is to compare the horror, injustice, torture and death that Jews and slaves endured to the quick painless death of a fetus THUS DENIGRATING (OR DENYING !!!!!) WHAT JEWS and SLAVES ENDURED....A DEPLORABLE DESPICABLE THING TO DO..

The total lack of respect for what slaves (mostly blacks) and Jews endured, to say it was nothing, is the sickest thing on the earth.....and says everything there is to know about those who do that...

Fetuses are not and were not tortured, raped, murdered, ..they did not slave in a hot southern sun from dawn to dark with no compensation, they were not sold, they had NO grotesque experiments performed on them, they did not have all their property stolen from them, they were not starved, they were not beaten, they were not herded like animals into pens, they did NOT have their rights taken away, they were NOT declared non-humans , they did not FEEL the unbelievable pain that Jews and slaves endured.

Slaves and Jews WERE forced to gestate, EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WISH TO DO TO WOMEN.

 

Where are the court records showing that Planned Parenthood sells baby parts and was CONVICTED of it ?

WHERE TF is it??? NO WHERE

Planned Parenthood doesn't possess "baby parts"....so could not possibly have sold them.



LOL, Ya must've got tired of defending the Nazis and had to drag up this old debunked crap that all Anti-Choicers dig up when they have nothing else....

 

Christian Broadcasting Network?

Try another site it is a barely disguised “pro-life” site that is pushing an agenda

 

I consider all your posts as hyperbole...….haven't seen any facts in them.

 

We are talking about the liberal left killing babies here, what planet are you on? Welcome to the discussion.

PLANNED PARENTHOOD MED DIRECTOR: “DISMEMBERMENT” ABORTION “CHECKBOX” SKIRTS FEDERAL PARTIAL-BIRTH LAW


Dr. Suzie Prabhakaran, Medical Affairs VP for Planned Parenthood of Southwest and Central Florida, Confirms PPFA Uses Paperwork to Fake Compliance with Late-Term Abortion Rules

ORLANDO, July 27–Never-before-released undercover video shows Dr. Suzie Prabhakaran, the Vice President of Medical Affairs for Planned Parenthood of Southwest and Central Florida, graphically discussing Planned Parenthood’s late-term “dismemberment” and partial-birth abortion protocols in the context of fetal body part harvesting.

At a Planned Parenthood conference evening reception, CMP investigators posing as buyers from a biotech company discuss partnering with Dr. Prabhakaran’s Planned Parenthood affiliate in order to harvest fetal organs and tissues from the 2nd-trimester abortions performed there. Prabhakaran advises that her affiliate is merging with the Orlando Planned Parenthood, which does abortions up to 23 weeks and has a high procedure volume, with eighteen abortions at 18-weeks and above scheduled for the next week.

Prabhakaran discusses how Planned Parenthood allows their abortion doctors to certify compliance with the federal Partial-Birth Abortion Ban, which prohibits abortions in which a fetus is extracted alive up to certain anatomical landmarks (18 U.S.C. 1531). According to Prabhakaran, Planned Parenthood abortion doctors can certify compliance with the law by using a feticide like digoxin to kill the fetus before the abortion, or they can simply “document” their “intent” to do a “dismemberment” abortion where the fetus is pulled apart with forceps rather than extracted intact.

“So some people train to just document that like, you know to comply with the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban, you basically have to say, ‘I intend to utilize dismemberment techniques for this procedure,’” explains Prabhakaran. “So every time you do a procedure, that’s how you document. So, like, there’s like a checkbox,” Prabhakaran states, “so it would be before the procedure, you do your evaluation, you write, ‘I intend to utilize dismemberment techniques for this procedure.’”


Prabhakaran indicates she never uses digoxin to kill the fetus before the abortion, and relies entirely on the “checkbox” to “document” her intent in the abortion to certify compliance with the federal law: “I’m not doing digoxin, and we’re just going to document and there’s never been a problem.”

Prabhakaran’s description of Planned Parenthood’s loose protocols for 2nd-trimester abortion procedures corroborates statements by Dr. Deborah Nucatola, Senior Director of Medical Services for Planned Parenthood Federation of America, in CMP’s first undercover video, that show a lax attitude toward the partial-birth abortion law:

“The Federal [Partial-Birth] Abortion Ban is a law, and laws are up to interpretation. So there are some people who interpret it as it’s intent. So if I say on Day 1 I do not intend to do this, what ultimately happens doesn’t matter.”

Nucatola states in the first video that Planned Parenthood abortion doctors can make changes to the abortion technique in order to bring the fetus out intact for body parts harvesting, regardless of any initial “intent” statement: “So if you do it starting from a breech [feet-first] presentation, there’s dilation that happens as the case goes on, and often, the last step, you can evacuate an intact calvarium [head] at the end.”

CMP project lead David Daleiden notes, “Planned Parenthood medical directors and abortion doctors feign compliance with the federal partial-birth abortion law on paper, knowing full well that ‘what ultimately happens doesn’t matter’ so long as no one is scrutinizing what they actually do to women and children in the operating room. And the fact that Planned Parenthood has a ‘dismemberment’ ‘checkbox’ on their abortion forms should tell the public and policymakers everything they need to know about this barbaric abortion business. The Department of Justice should open an immediate investigation into Planned Parenthood’s late-term abortion practices, and the U.S. Congress must stop forcing taxpayers to subsidize Planned Parenthood’s brutal abortion empire.”

Full video here:

 

Where are the court records showing that Planned Parenthood sells baby parts and was CONVICTED of it ?

WHERE TF is it??? NO WHERE

Planned Parenthood doesn't possess "baby parts"....so could not possibly have sold them.



LOL, Ya must've got tired of defending the Nazis and had to drag up this old debunked crap that all Anti-Choicers dig up when they have nothing else....

 

ITS CALLED VIDEO PROOF
CAUGHT RED HANDED
CAUGHT WITH YOUR HAND IN THE COOKIE JAR

LOS ANGELES, April 26–New undercover video shows Dr. Mary Gatter, the Planned Parenthood senior executive who infamously laughed “I want a Lamborghini” about payments for aborted fetal parts, again haggling over per-specimen pricing for livers, lungs, and brains, even while insisting the purchaser must do all the work to harvest.

The video is the second of a never-before-seen batch of undercover footage being released by The Center for Medical Progress.

At a Planned Parenthood conference evening reception, CMP investigators posing as buyers from a biotech company are introduced to Dr. Gatter for the first time by Dr. Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s Senior Director of Medical Services.

“I wanted you to meet Mary Gatter,” says Dr. Nucatola, before Dr. Gatter steps forward.

CMP project lead David Daleiden notes, “The fact that Novogenix, StemExpress, and ABR stationed their own workers inside Planned Parenthood abortion clinics to perform the harvesting, packaging, and transport of aborted baby body parts demonstrates that Planned Parenthood had no reimbursable costs under the law. The volume-based sums that Planned Parenthood charged these businesses for baby parts are criminal trafficking and profiteering in fetal body parts. The U.S. Department of Justice should take heed of the Congressional investigations’ criminal referrals and prosecute Planned Parenthood to the full extent of the law, and taxpayers must stop being forced to subsidize Planned Parenthood’s criminal abortion empire.”