After Helsinki: Sh**storm Fall Out for Trump in the US

Source ... only 1 example to fullfill the duty to give, because use google and you find countless results!

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bu...-offer-sharp-criticism-trump-helsinki-n891841

Embarrassing ... Outrageous ... Disgusting ... betrayal ... these are just a few of the words in the US after the Helsinki meeting between Trump and Putin!

For me as Foreigner a funny thing about is that on the one hand, it is less the bad Europeans who criticize Trump here, but it is the Americans themselves.
On the other hand, and more importantly, that nobody here can berate the evil lefties and the liberal as usual, because these statements come from the very left to the far right to the meeting of Trump!

Solely the Trump fans and followers, who of course see nothing bad and wrong in the meeting and in the statements. But who is still surprised at these people?

If a US president publicly trusts the statements of the Russian president more than those of his intelligence services, then that says it all!

Of course this is your problem and it does not concern me as freigner at least ... ONLY until you make it a problem for my country as you often do. But as an observer for the moment I find the whole thing very strange and interesting what is going on in the USA!

 

So, we should believe the intelligence services like when they claimed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction?

They are never wrong huh?

 

I'm almost certainly the last to defend the US intelligence services ....

However, please keep to the whole truth, because this fairy tale of weapons of mass destruction was not an invention of CIA & Co. but of the gang around Bush Jr. and they have all eliminated in the intelligence services that have been told there are no one, until they found enough willing people there.
Look on the list who of the bosses and sub-bosses all went out of CIA before and short after it and you see what I mean.

 

Sorry bro but Bush and Co. were going off intelligence services recommendations.

You can't backtrack that one.

Not one agency said, "wait, we don't think they have any WMD's there".

That did not happen.

So if you are claiming we should always believe them then you are saying the war in Iraq was justified because you don't get to pick and choose when you want to believe them.

But that is what you are trying to do.

 

No they were not. They were intentionally ignoring good intelligence. That was the finding of the commission.

 

No, they presented the CIA findings not only to the public but to all other nations who joined us in the war.

It wasn't just us who went to war based off their findings it was the entire world who supported it.

 

Intelligence knew Saddam didn't have WMDs.. Bush and Cheney lied because they wanted the war... The dual citizen neocons of the PNAC wanted the war. Why do you think Cheney was criticized for spending so much time at the CIA? Why do you think the Brits set up Operation Mass Appeal?

Why do you think the nincompoops claimed Saddam was trucking his WMDs back and forth from Sudan to Syria?

Why do you think they launched the pedophile defamation against that inspector.. Scott something?

Scott Ritter.. that was his name.. They did a number on him because he told the truth.

 

Totally wrong, sorry!

Bush & Co. had the Iraq war already on the agenda before they won the election. Al Qaeda was taken seriously by Clinton, but the Bush administration downgraded it to the same level as the drug gangs, and in all the meetings where national security was concerned, the Bush administration of Iraq dominated the issue of CIA and FBI led to considerable frustration. And even on the day of 9/11, some actually tried to accuse Saddam, but thanks to the media and also thanks to the FBI, they failed,

Totally wrong, sorry!

Bush & Co. had the Iraq war already on the agenda before they won the election. Al Qaeda was taken seriously by Clinton, but the Bush administration downgraded it to the same level as the drug gangs, and in all the meetings where national security was concerned, the Bush administration of Iraq dominated the issue of CIA and FBI led to considerable frustration. And even on the day of 9/11, some actually tried to accuse Saddam, but thanks to the media and also thanks to the FBI, they failed,
I'm not saying the CIA & Co were innocent ... I'm going to do the hell out ... but that's just for upper management, not middle management. I recommend the book by John Dixon to you,

But this is about a US President publicly withdrawing his own intelligence service in the presence of the Russian President and believing him to be more credible. Unbelievable is still a harmless rating!
And to all the Trump fans I just say ... woe if Obama had done the same thing & said, eh?

If this guy goes on like that, he's not going through the normal end of his first presidency ...

 

What a joke.

Bill Clinton had a chance to take out Bin Laden and passed on it.

He didn't consider him a threat even though our own intelligence agencies were warning him about the danger.

And Bush had no desire to get into Iraq, he never even mentioned them before 9/11. He was going to be a domestic focused president, that's where his aim was.

I believe the last thing he wanted was to have to deal with that, it completely overshadowed his entire presidency.

When he did decide to take action he doubled down as we would expect any good president to do.

Believe me, the Holy Trinity wanted to completely focus their attention at home and enact their dastardly plans here, not overseas.

In fact, you should probably be thankful that they had to deal with Iraq because can you imagine what they might have done if they didn't have that to deal with?

 

And actually out of the 17 intelligence agencies which contributed to the report only 4 of them concluded that Russia actually did something, the rest couldn't determine that.

So Trump isn't actually doing anything against them since the majority of intelligence services didn't find fault with Russia.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...elligence-organizations-or-four-either-way-r/

 

Bush planned to invade Iraq before he won the presidency. That's why he HIRED so many of the dual citizen signatories of the PNAC.. How is it that you didn't know that?

Bush wanted the war.. The Brits wanted the war.. The Brits cooked up Operation Mass Appeal in 1998 to SELL the damned war on Iraq.

 

So you are claiming that Bush and Co. planned 9/11?

Ok conspiracy girl.

 

These "intellegence sources" are freaking out because they engaged in FISA abuse and they are no longer in power. They do not have the ability to cover up their crimes.

 

Even so, what does it matter?

Trump is playing diplomacy here.

Why the left is so eager to start a war with Russia is simply amazing to me.

 

You can say that again, Mandelus. It's like watching a schizophrenic episode take place on TV on a national level.

My guess is that this is a sign of desperation and will be the last big push by the Deep State and the Democrat and Republican members of the War Party - and their backing elite faction - to keep the Russian-gate narrative going.

The US Media is Losing its Mind over Trump-Putin Press Conference

 

A good piece written by Craig Murray on this too:

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/07/detente-bad-cold-war-good/

 

Very true. And think also of Dr. David Kelly, the Brit weapons inspector, who died in very mysterious circumstances because he stated that the intelligence dossier making a case for a war against Iraq was "transformed" by Downing Street ( Blair) to show that Saddam could unleash WMD's in 45 minutes. It was a complete lie and a travesty. And Kelly, I think, was suicided for that.

 

I don't know very much about Kelly..

Blair was really in the bag with Bush.. Operation Mass Appeal was a disgrace.

 

There's a lot of room between groveling for Putin and starting a war with Russia. ... What's the deal with this drama queen stuff? Do you think Trump is simply afraid of war with Russia? Is that his excuse?

 

No.. they didn't plan 9-11. How did you jump to that conclusion?

They planned to invade Iraq BEFORE 9-11... as early as 1998.. That's why Bush hired all the dual citizen neocons of the PNAC..

Netanyahu wanted the war and had pushed for is since 1994 with his Clean Break Strategy.. The PNAC just adopted and promoted it.

 

So tell us how they planned to start a war with Iraq.

 

Or that they have been in the drug business since 1948, and loving every minute of it.

Clapper, Brennan and others have lied to Congress while under oath. I don't believe a word those clowns say.

 

The dual citizens of the PNAC demanded Saddam be overthrown.. That's what Bibi Neyanyahu wanted.

Have you NEVER read Clean Break Strategy?

A Clean Break a New Strategy for Securing the Realm ...


A Clean Break a New Strategy for Securing the Realm - Download as PDF File (.pdf), Text File (.txt) or read online.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/142465246/A-Clean-Break-a-New-Strategy-for-Securing-the-Realm

 

It was British Intelligence that said Saddam could deploy WMD in 45 minutes. It was French Intelligence that said the aluminum tubes could be for nothing other than a centrifuge. It was Russian Intelligence that said Saddam had plans to attack America using terrorists.

 

Actually your file states that their main target would have been Iran, not Iraq.

So you should be claiming that Bush and Co. were planning on toppling Iran which of course didn't happen.

But if they were being run by Israel then why didn't they hit them also while we were taking on Iraq?

Its what Israel dictated to us.

I'm kind of getting the impression here that you just don't like Jews.

Is that it?