Alan Sabrosky, US Marine Corps veteran says Israel did 911

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    In this PressTV interview with Alan Sabrosky, he explains why he thinks Israel was the perpetrator of the 9/11 attack, giving emphasis on the fact the buildings were most probably demolished, mentioning the secondary explosions the were heard and seen on ground zero when the towers came down, along with Israelis that were taken in custody in two different vans and locations, one of which had explosives in it.

    The other van was being controlled by 5 Israelis that were setting up cameras to record the event, and after the first impact, they were seen celebrating the tragedy. All the Israelis were later released by the orders of Michael Chertoff, Israeli dual-citizen then Secretary of Homeland Security.

    He also talks about security company ICTS which was responsible for the CCTVs and Checkup at the airports involved in 9/11

    Alan Sabrosky, Ph.D, is a retired Marine officer and former Director of Studies at the United States Army War College's Strategic Studies Institute
    Israel did 9/11, To Quote Sabrosky himself:

    What Americans need to understand [And Never Forget] they did it. They did it.

    And if they do understand that, Israeli influence in our government will flat-ass disappear from this earth.
     
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    So it wasn't an "inside job", the "Jews" did it? The evidence is that some ex-marine guy thinks this?

    He talks about "secondary explosions" - covered to death on this forum.
    He talks about "demolitions" (meh!) debunked beyond words to any reasonable person.
    He talks about Israelis taken into custody, total conspiracy hogwash.
    He talks about them being released - well that would be because they didn't do anything. Lawyers are good this way!
    He talks about "one of which had explosives in it" - evidence for this?
    He talks about the "dancing Israelis" - yeah because that's exactly what anyone involved would do - call attention to themselves and "celebrate"!
    He talks about ICTS - now we have a US security company ok with the murder of thousands of Americans and colluding with Israel?

    Yet another pointless thread. Twenty years on and the nonsense never ends.
     
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    The proof that 9/11was an inside job is crushing.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...orted-9-11-terrorists.456423/#post-1066183060

    Now we have to figure out exactly who the people behind it were. I see no reason to rule out the idea that Zionists were behind it. The US government seems to have a lot of people who believe in the Zionist movement in it. Those Zionists in the government could have worked with Mossad to plan and carry out the attacks.

    911 Missing Links Israeli Mossad Involvement - Full Documentary
    https://www.bing.com/search?q=911+M...5B3C411FA570BEDBB218B6D1&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=

    NEW 2015! Solving 9/11 Christopher Bollyn Live in Dallas TX Feb 12, 2015


    Did Israel’s Mossad Do 9/11?
    http://brothernathanaelchannel.com/watch_video.php?v=4G51B2126D8Y

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...lvement-in-9-11.550346/page-2#post-1070205171
     
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    So we have the "crushing" debunked-to-death spam links saying it was an inside job, then we have the weird consideration that it was still the US government but now could be "zionists" within.

    Perhaps it would be prudent to point out that this CONTRADICTS the OP that clearly says ISRAEL was behind this.

    As noted many times, "911-truthers" have no coherent story that fits the facts, they contradict themselves on so many occasions. The irritating irony is that these people see no problem with other people offering such contradictory batshit, so long as it is an actual conspiracy, they remain in their comfort zone, safe in the "knowledge" that only their little clique are able to work out the "anomalies".
     
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    So the Jews did it … gotcha …

    so how did they do it ? … were the plane pilots suicidal Israelis? did they sneak into the towers and plant thermate or mini nukes? …

    did the US Government hand over the keys to the operation to the Jews or were the asleep at the wheel?

    I need to put on my Wellies … **** is getting deep in here …
     
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    Oh dear. The utter inevitability that any conspiracy theory that didn't start out blaming Jews (or is it 'reptilian humanoids') will get around to it eventually.

    Oh, and saying 'Zionists' instead doesn't make people sound any less anti-semitic, it just reminds us that they know what this really is but want to play pretend. Disgusting.
     
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    it's 20 years later and the Truthers still spreading conspiracy theories, Sad!
     
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    Uhuh. You evaluate arguments "pretty well" do you? And it's a "sad excuse" for a rebuttal is it?

    The main elements of his claim are the actual events, the plane strikes and subsequent building collapses. These occurred. Despite copious amounts of SOLID REBUTTAL no headway has been made regarding the crazy claims they were "demolished". The "secondary explosions" ARE normal for a large building fire. Anyone who thinks a building this size that CLEARLY gives way at the plane impact point, requires explosions in advance to weaken it or whatever are not thinking this through. BOTH buildings showed the top section tearing through the remaining building, that's 80-90 levels, that according to conspiracy claims, require help to collapse. A considerable number of "secondary explosions" would be required at the least.

    I didn't catch the ex-marine's qualifications, but if I missed his skills in engineering and physics and his detailed analysis(that doesn't make errors with simple things like kinetic energy) the OP may have a point.

    Well you missed the major part, now we're moving onto circumstantial!


    I concede the bulk of this point - it isn't American origin, but its subsidiary IS based in the US. As far as I can tell, we now have Dutch and Israeli owners comfortable with killing thousands of Americans in appallingly horrific style. The subsidiary may be owned by Israelis, but as stated, it is based in the US and if you are suggesting that it employs no Americans then I believe it is breaking the law.

    But let's strip down this claim. It is basically stating "oh look, the Joos own it, therefore". He provides no rationale as to what they would effectively have done to contribute to the "fraud" of Arab involvement. CCTV was released of passengers boarding (it's now 2 decades ago). Bookings confirmed they were on board. What advantage does it gain for the company to be Israeli owned? Or is he saying the owners set it all up? He offers not a scrap of evidence, just poor conjecture.

    THERE is the real BS.

    Sure it does,


    Do I need to explain that these two are not mutually exclusive? They were taken into custody and released with no evidence. How can that be confusing?

    Nope.

    You didn't address the salient points that have ALREADY been addressed elsewhere a copious amount of times. Suggesting your two rebuttal points are my "whole argument" is a bit lame.

    Then you scored one loose and vague circumstantial point, lost one loose and vague circumstantial point and missed the major points completely.

    As for your summary. I go where evidence goes. I don't follow somebody pointing their finger at circumstantial evidence that is as flimsy as hell and offering nothing else. I flicked through that video and caught the whole conspiracy bingo card. Danny Jowenko, WTC7, dancing Israelis etc.

    It is a comedy of tragic proportions that there is NOTHING quantifiable or verified in this guy's story.
    If Israel DID do it, who flew the planes? Just that for starters! If Israel did it, it totally contradicts most of the other "911-truth" claims, that also have major gaping holes in their logic and narrative.
     
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    Did I stutter?


    Oh, so now you are going to actually try? Kudos, on not just saying "covered to death," and "debunked beyond words," and such, which aren't really "prosecuting" an argument.


    I had planned to go back over them, myself, as there seemed quite a few items of note, to make him, and his opinion, seem credible. Doesn't mean he's right, but until he says something stupid (which I didn't hear him do), his resumé portrayed him as at least worth listening to.

    We are not on the same page. The presenter's first real troubling piece of evidence, was seeing the collapse of building #7, which was never struck by a plane, or any significant debris, yet which fell smooth as silk, into its own footprint. It was his assessment that this was unmistakably a controlled detonation. So then he looked for those who potentially could have done this; when he investigated what was involved with setting up such a detonation, it was clear that the security company, had to be in some way involved-- no matter who owned the company. That it turns out it had been started by former Israeli intelligence, or "internal security" officers, isn't the result of anti-Semitism, as you unfairly suggest.

    What-- Israel cannot possibly be involved in any misdeeds, therefore the only explanation, if they arouse someone's suspicion, is that the person must be a bigot? A convenient argument for you, no doubt, but not a realistic one. Was the U.S. government being anti-Semitic in the late 1980s, when it prosecuted our Navy officer, Pollard, for spying for Israel, and providing them over 1000 classified documents? Surely, Israel could not have been involved!

    Or what do you think of this story, titled "FBI Looking into Leak of Classified Documents to Israel 2004- 09- 03"-- the FBI must be infested with anti-Semites?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.voanews.com/amp/a-13-a-2004-09-03-38-1/293250.html?bshm=rime/2

    <Snip>
    At the center of the battle is what Mr. Apostolou describes as the controversial Office of Special Plans, or OSP, a small group set up in the Pentagon to offer alternative views on key issues, in particular Iraq. Mr. Franklin belonged
    to this office.

    OSP made some mistakes, says Mr. Apostolou, though this kind of innovation is always resented by the bureaucracy.

    But it had a too obvious agenda, says Colonel Kwiatkowsky. “People who worked in that office,” she says, “particularly the political appointees, had come in at the very beginning of the Bush Administration with a very pro-Israel agenda and had come in with a set of social and academic ties to very pro-Israeli think tanks. And so after almost four years of the Bush Administration to have this to be an issue in some ways is surprising because it should have been an issue at the beginning.”

    Colonel Kwiatkowski says she witnessed the OSP takeover at the Pentagon. Its members by-passed or removed people who opposed their determined drive to go to war in Iraq.

    Israeli officials deny any involvement in this affair and insist they have not spied on the United States since 1985 when their agent Jonathan Pollard, a U.S. Navy intelligence analyst, was caught and sentenced to life imprisonment. There is no need to spy, they add, considering the close relations between the United States and Israel.
    <End Snip>

    That Col. Kwiatkowsky, I don't know...Jew hater?

    I actually just came across this article and haven't read it, beyond this early part. Unfortunately, now is not a good time. My point is that, believing that Israel is at fault, or to blame, for something-- when one has a reason to think this is the case-- is not anti-Semitic. Yes, what occurred on 9-11 was horrible; but does that mean that people could not justify it, in their minds, as being for the "greater good?" To be clear, I am not alleging this, I am just saying that, it seems a bit racist to me that one would automatically exclude Israelis from having any involvement-- so much so, that if that person sees anyone else speculating about Israeli complicity, he immediately calls them anti-Semites-- and yet, that same person has no trouble at all, accepting that Arabs are involved with this atrocity: because Arabs aren't civilized human beings?

    Anyway, since I have to go, I will post you this only partial response, and try to pick up, where I left off, next time. I actually have been answering your reply as I read it, so I don't even know the contours of what's ahead-- but it looked like there was still a good bit more, to which I might need respond.
     
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    Now that America's surly gaggle of Israel Firsters have proven their inability to refute any of the facts that Dr. Sabrosky has written by braying "ANTI SEMITE!", "ANTI SEMITE!"" right on cue, we can move on to the 2 most revealing questions as to who helped orchestrate 9/11.

    1. Cui Bono ? (Who Benefits?)
    2. Who had the means, motive and opportunity to pull off 9/11?


    The 5 dancing Israelis who were already set up to record America's tragic 9/11 were not the only ones who knew that 9/11 would benefit Israel's Right Wingers because a gleeful Netanyahu said of 9/11:

    “It is very good! It will be good for Israel!” (1)

    9/11 had another benefit for Israel's right wingers: It made frothing Islamophobes out of bigoted American idiots that until 9/11 didn't know what the Middle East was.

    Additionally, 9/11 made it much easier for AIPAC to send young American G.I.s to fight another war for Israel's regional hegemony:

    “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”

    AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

    Finally, no, I don't think that Israel's right wing acted alone but as the pages of this and similar forums indicate, there are no shortage of American Zionist Quislings and disloyal Israel Firsters who are eager to send young American G.I.s over to die for Israel's regional hegemony.

    Sacrificing a few thousand American lives was an insignificant detail if it was to ensure that gullible Americans would also hate the same Muslims about whom they know nothing.

    Thanks,




    (1). “Stupid pro-Israel Americans - have you heard these quotes from your hero Netanyahu? See below?”
    https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20170819014914AA8hRm2

    - “It is very good! It will be good for Israel!” Benjamin Nutandyahoo on the 9/11 attacks

    - “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.” — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, 2002

    - “My opinion of Christian Zionists? They’re scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.”— Benyamin "Bibi" Netanyahu

    - “America is something that you can easily maneuver and move in the right direction. And even if they say something, so then they say something – so what? Look, I wasn’t afraid to maneuver the Americans, I wasn’t afraid to go against the UN.” Benjamin Netanyahu
     
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    Do you want to debate, or play the silly rhetoric game. I can respond in kind if the latter. Someone "worth listening to" ceases to be "worth listening to" when they just repeat tired arguments or offer bare assertion and crap circumstantial evidence. The key phrases you highlighted wouldn't be necessary if this subject matter (and where previously used) wasn't already covered ad nauseum. You highlighting their use doesn't dismiss their accuracy. Or maybe you think I should spend tens of pages going over it again instead of saying "debunked to death".

    A piece of circular reasoning that suggest his original claim of demolition was correct. There are numerous threads on this where very easy to understand arguments are offered to explain things...not lease an animated gif showing the penthouse collapse down through the whole building just prior to the lower support catastrophic failure. Where exactly did I "unfairly suggest" this is anti-Semitism?

    Big strawman there. I'm not playing the anti-semitic card! I'm playing the no-evidence-circumstantial-crap card on 911. I couldn't care less whether yet another person wants to jump on the "joos did it" bandwagon.

    My reply said: "Who flew the planes"?
    And another: Where is the evidence for "explosives in the van"?

    Here's another for you: Danny Jowenko famously said WTC7 was a controlled demolition. He was very surprised and suggested they must have worked very hard to rig it if it collapsed on the same day. Now why would he be surprised if he already had the view that the twin towers were demolished? If he, as a demolition expert, saw those two buildings collapse and thought it was a controlled demolition for both, he would not even contemplate them rigging WTC7 fast. Logic suggests he did not have that opinion. How can this ex-marine analyst not be able to do this simple deductive reasoning?

    And he cites arrests made with the "dancing" Israelis who weren't actually dancing at all. Read it, believe it, dismiss it, whatever. It's all a crock.
    https://www.thejc.com/news/world/who-were-the-dancing-israelis-of-9-11-66kkm1alwQldXDyVmIwDM

    To what end!? It's becoming more and more tedious to "actually try", clearly futile. One of the people who says evidence is "crushing" about an inside job, entertains the completely contradictory view that it was Israel! So I can only presume this better explains the "crushing" evidence! There are threads covering every piece of this relentless crap.
     
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    Who benefits? Those who sought to undermine the US by deeply wounding terrorism.
    Who had the means? Al Qaeda. They were experienced enough to enough to know how to hijack aircraft and experienced enough, through rudimentary training, to crash them into great big targets.

    What else was required? Not a great deal! It's only when you expand this idiotic conspiracy up to include all the add-ons suggested, it becomes an utterly ridiculously complicated venture. All it really boils down to is 4 hijacked planes that were crashed.
     
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    "ANTI SEMITE!", "ANTI SEMITE!"


    What's "Disgusting" is the fact that America's disloyal Israel Firsters are putting the interests of a foreign government over that of their own country.

    Since you can't refute a single fact presented in the O.P.,.....................Out comes the usual, not very creative slander: "ANTI SEMITE!"

    Guess what, it's been cheapened by overuse so that even other Jews see it as just another cheap evasion ploy:

    "An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews;

    nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.”


    - Gilad Atzmon, Jewish musician and author, 2011
    https://quotefancy.com/quote/169287...eone-who-hates-Jews-nowadays-an-antisemite-is
     
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    What facts? List them in order of importance. Oh and using his "Doctor" title to aggrandize the man's claims is pretty poor. A doctorate in political science is not expertise in building structures.
     
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    I believe all of the above is addressing the OP and subsequent claims made. It's common courtesy to respond(bolded parts), even if it's an "I don't know" reply.

    Building 7:
    [​IMG]
    Penthouse collapse wave going down through the building prior to the lower support, catastrophic failure. No demolition here. Numerous firemen were quoted as saying the building was creaking and groaning and was going to collapse. Not sure whether they were Jewish firemen who just "put their foot" in it.
     
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    What's your point?
    I've got as many questions as facts.
    You've apparently read the facts, quotes and opinions I wrote so I assume that noticed that I don't think that Israel's right wing element was responsible for all of 9/11.

    Michael Chertoff, a "dual" citizen and head of Homeland Security aided and abetted the crime by helping key witnesses / participants escape.

    How else did he help facilitate the crime?

    Who else at that level was involved?

    The 5 dancing Israelis incident, alone, is proof that Israel, at least, knew in advance of the attack.
    Do you think it was some sort of coincidence or that they were birdwatching?

    Don't you believe that you or I would still be in prison if we were caught with explosives in NYC ?

    I vividly remember an early and, now, missing, videos that both showed and allowed you to hear the timed explosions.

    I don't claim to know all that went on but there are many things about the Official Story that I simply don't believe.

    Thanks,
     
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    You cited the OP "facts". My point is self explanatory - list them.
    Post the latter!
    I missed the "facts" pertaining to the OP video.

    Nope. Why do you believe Bollyn?

    Else? He didn't facilitate anything.
    Else? He wasn't involved and I don't do bare assertion responses.

    Who says they were dancing? Find your source for this, because the original witness simply said they seemed happy. Now of course people react in different ways and the following is hearsay (until/unless I source it) but I've seen footage taken by 911 witnesses on their rooftops where a couple of guys were joking about it. Laughter is not always out of amusement.
    Well if you believe conspiracy theories there is little I can help you with. Which is the coincidence bit?
    https://www.thejc.com/news/world/who-were-the-dancing-israelis-of-911-66kkm1alwQldXDyVmIwDMc

    Begging the question. Who was caught with explosives, show your evidence?

    I can cite one that has a very close live TV broadcast that has NONE!

    As is your prerogative.
     
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    Sheesh, there's so many batshit theories it's hard to keep up. This is a new one and probably one of the daftest yet! "Lol"

    I tend to do that with crap. I listen, waiting for some genuine facts, get bare assertion, no evidence and then I feel the urge to flick.

    So Israel makes sure they succeed by doing what? Having a few dancing nationals?

    Detail exactly what you think they needed to do to make sure the Arabs succeeded. As I said, they're pretty informed as to how to succeed at a hijacking. Their people needed only to crash the planes, what possible involvement is required by Israel! What ludicrous reason would they have to pop their heads up and even be seen!?

    What a crock.

    ANSWER THESE!
    1. Where exactly did I "unfairly suggest" this is anti-Semitism?
    2. Where is the evidence for "explosives in the van"?
    3. Here's another for you: Danny Jowenko famously said WTC7 was a controlled demolition. He was very surprised and suggested they must have worked very hard to rig it if it collapsed on the same day. Now why would he be surprised if he already had the view that the twin towers were demolished? If he, as a demolition expert, saw those two buildings collapse and thought it was a controlled demolition for both, he would not even contemplate them rigging WTC7 fast. Logic suggests he did not have that opinion. How can this ex-marine analyst not be able to do this simple deductive reasoning?
     
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    So that post was meant for me? How the F. was I supposed to know this? Your post, appeared to be a quoting of your own post. Here is its start:

    Betamax101 said: ↑
    Where exactly did I "unfairly suggest" this is anti-Semitism?
    My reply said: "Who flew the planes"?
    And another: Where is the evidence for "explosives in the van"?


    How the hell did you expect me to know that this was addressed to me? Not only did it not quote me; or use the @ with my name, to send a "mention" alert; but it did not even follow one of my posts, to you, or to anyone. It followed one of your own posts to somebody; and, before that, a post by Grau.

    This is a perfect example of what I had spoken of-- your seeming assumption that people can read your thoughts, without your making them manifest, in your text-- in the post of mine, you had complained about, and so got deleted. Because of all the time I had spent on that, all down the drain-- even though it had been both spot on, and not what I could imagine even an eight year old girl, finding upsetting-- I am, unless the moderator reverses his decision, limiting my time on posts, assuming that all may be deleted-- and especially on those, for which you are the recipient. Spent too long on this one, already (am a very slow typist), so will have to get back to you.
     
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    Re:
    There are too many facts confirming that Israel at least had foreknowledge of 9/11 to list here so I will address the points you raise in your comment but, first, why don't you believe the facts presented by Sabrosky and Bollyn?


    Re:
    Because I've read other sources that are consistent with what he's written.
    Why do you not believe what he has to say?

    Re:
    Mr.Chertoff is indeed a "dual", Israeli citizen who "quietly released" the dancing Israelis and other Israeli spies back to Israel according to multiple sources (1)

    Re:
    Simply Google "Dancing Israelis, 9/11" and see for yourself.
    In other words, most of the planet

    Re:
    It's an irrefutable fact that the Israelis at least had foreknowledge of 9/11 and betrayed their "ally" by not sharing the information.


    Re:
    It's common knowledge:

    EXCERPT "The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives.
    It was reported the van contained tonnes of explosives" CONTINUED. (3)

    [ I encourage you to read the original text because different sources report different things. The fact remains that the Israelis either were or had been moving explosives around NYC on and before 9/11. ]

    If our "ally" was not complicit in 9/11, why didn't they warn the US ?

    Thanks,



    (1). “9/11 conspiracies still hidden”
    https://www.aspentimes.com/news/911-conspiracies-still-hidden/


    EXCERPT “WTC 7 – Building 7 – is the Smoking Gun. The 6.5 second free-fall collapse into its own footprint, can only be explained by controlled demolition. And “Lucky” Larry Silverstein saying on tape we had to “pull it.” Oh yeah, and the B.BC. and others, 23 minutes before the collapse, announcing the collapse.

    The only arrests made in NYC that day were the five “dancing Israelis,” filming and celebrating the attacks. They worked for Urban Moving Systems, a Mossad-front company. Interesting, Michael Chertoff, dual national, quietly released them back to Israel. Hmmm …” CONTINUED



    (2). “Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 …”
    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news...ed-into-the-twin-towers-on-september-11-2001/
    EXCERPT. “THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.

    Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis - and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.” CONTINUED


    (3). " The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11"
    https://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
     
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    I personally would look for clues, like reading the damn post above - number #11 where ALL those questions were raised! I quoted YOU and you ignored them all. @DEFinning - go back and read post 11 then apologize perhaps?

    Post #11 above.



    No. It's a perfect example of you not reading posts properly. Post #11 above says quite specifically ALL those questions. Nobody needs to be a mind reader either.

    And just look, you STILL avoided them!

    From post 11:
    You said in post 10 "That it turns out it had been started by former Israeli intelligence, or "internal security" officers, isn't the result of anti-Semitism, as you unfairly suggest.
    1. Where exactly did I "unfairly suggest" this is anti-Semitism?
    2. Where is the evidence for "explosives in the van"?
    3. How could this ex-marine analyst not use simple logic and deductive reasoning(regarding Jowenko)?
     
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    I didn't ask for facts that Israel had forewarning of 911. You clearly stated some rhetoric about the video so list the "facts" in the the OP, so that "America's surly gaggle of Israel Firsters" can actually address them!

    Why DO you?

    Is this a game? Why DO you? I've read more sources that say he is talking batshit.

    Conspiracy sources. Show me an official source.
    5 Young Israelis, Caught in Net of Suspicion - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
    "On Sept. 25, all five signed papers acknowledging violations of United States immigration law. One, Sivan Kurzberg, admitted working illegally on a tourist visa. His brother, Paul Kurzberg, along with Yaron Shmuel and Mr. Ellner, conceded they had overstayed their visas."

    They know "of" this phrase. Once again I ask you to show the source for where they were dancing. That would be the original witness, not the subsequent news report that lead to the internet label!
    Dancing Israelis 9/11 conspiracy theory: Why do people believe Mossad did 9/11 - The Jewish Chronicle (thejc.com)
    "The ‘Dancing Israeli’ moniker came from an altogether different source, the father of 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta. In a USA Today article from a few weeks after the attacks, quoting Muslim officials from around the world who were alleging that Israel was behind the plot, Atta’s grieving father said that there was insufficient attention being paid to the fact that “The FBI seized a number of Jews while they were dancing in celebration over the incidents.”"

    Mossad passed on full intelligence briefing on this and the CIA had a fairly extensive intelligence file on the matter.
    Officials Told of 'Major Assault' Plans - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)
    On Facebook!? Please very simply, provide me with the official account of the arrests, citing the presence of explosives. I'm not a fan of "common knowledge", it's a bit over rated like "common sense"!

    You didn't provide the source. I googled it and found it on facebook.

    They did warn the US.

    The rest of your post is repeated conspiracy junk that has (really it has!) been thoroughly debunked on this sub-forum. Post #15 shows a simple animation that demonstrates that the building did NOT fall in 6.5 seconds, but way longer and the penthouse debris (clearly drops through the building) took out the lower supports causing catastrophic failure.
     
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    @Grau - can you answer this please?
     
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    Sure. I'd be happy to.

    I've got other comments to respond to and chores to do but will respond more fully ASAP.

    In the meantime, please remember that Israel's right wingers have tried to trick America into fighting its enemies as far back as the Lavon Affaire in the 1950s

    "THE LAVON AFFAIR; IS HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF?"
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/lavon.html

    EXCERPT "In 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Egyptian Muslims as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring.

    Some of the spies were from Israel, while others were recruited from the local Jewish population. Israel responded to the scandal with claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax perpetrated by "anti-Semites".

    But as the public trial progressed, it was evident that Israel had indeed been behind the bombing."CONTINUED


    Enjoy the weather,
     

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