Alec Baldwin kills one,inures another with Prop Gun on set.

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  1. Joe knows

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    Also why was the YouTuber’s charged? I mean was told it would be safe. She was only doing what the other wished. It was his death if failed anyway. Ignorance is no exemption in law. It wasn’t for her, it shouldn’t be for him
     
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    Lets see if the law agrees with your take on it. In the past these cases have been ruled accidents and charges were not filed.

    In Brandon Lee's case charges were not filed, because there was no evidence of criminal wrongdoing, but Lee's mother pressed charges against the studio, not the actor who pulled the trigger.

     
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    Does anyone know when the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office is going to arrest everyone who handled the firearm involved in this tragic cluster****?
     
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    changes the criminal liability, if your business rents a car and the brakes are bad, and you kill someone because the car would not stop, are you a criminal because the rental company did not maintain the breaks and you did not take the tires off and check before you drove it?

    the gun should not of had a bullet in it, period
     
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  5. Joe knows

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    So you’re further backing me up that there is a different standard for the rich. Show me where a regular person killed someone on accident and wasn’t charged with manslaughter
     
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    It may widen criminal liability but not change it for Baldwin who as director is 100% responsible for what happens on the set. The media is now trying to pin it on the assistant director.
     
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    he will have some civil liability, sure... not criminal

    unless it's found he put the gun there with a bullet in it of course
     
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    Involuntary manslaughter is a crime.
     
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    It has nothing to do with being 'rich'. These guys are actors who are paid to fire these guns in movie sets. It is actually their job. Should they check the guns? Sure, but since many of them are not familiar with guns, they have people who are paid to prepare the guns for them. You don't want to admit it was a workplace accident, but it WAS workplace accident. Was negligence involved? YES. Was criminal intent involved? Apparently not.

    I am going to wait and see what happen. If they charge him, then so be it. Why are you so emotional about it? Would you be as emotional if this happened to Clint Eastwood?

    Here is a good read

    Guns, Ammo, Accountability: Hollywood Munitions Experts Grapple With ‘Rust’ Tragedy
    Questions swirl about on-set gun safety and who could be at fault after Alec Baldwin shoots prop gun with live rounds, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injuring director Joel Souza.
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...ovie-munitions-experts-gun-safety-1235035713/
     
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    we will see, I do not see him being charged with that, but let's wait to see that the investigation shows
     
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    Well of course not, he is ‘special’ so the law might not apply.
     
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    So the law has holes in it that allows for actors to be ignorant of their guns loaded status? Maybe you can show me that. If you can’t then the law obviously is not applied fairly
     
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    so far it seems like a work place accident, no one goes to prison over those
     
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    if you go skydiving and your chute doesn't open, does anyone go to prison if it's an accident?

    they are civilly liable, not criminally
     
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    I am going to wait and see what happen. If they charge him, then so be it.

    I have done that, and since it was my first and last time (it was very painful), I relied 100% on someone else prepping the chute.
     
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    If a progressive leftist kills a woman due to ignorance, its OK, it was just a mistake.

    If a Genuine American does it, all Law Abiding gun-owning Citizens MUST surrender their Rights under The Second Amendment immediately and if they disagree they are intellectually inferior and do not deserve the Right to vote.
     
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    It will be very interesting to see how this is handled in a VERY 'Hollywood-friendly' state like New Mexico is -- especially up north, around the Santa Fe area. That whole northern part of New Mexico is pretty thoroughly infested with liberal Democrats.
     
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    If the person shot does not die should charges be made?
     
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    Did this woman put on a parachute or have someone else point a gun at her? Also everyone that skydives has instruction first, so should handling of firearms. I think those scenarios are a bit different. But hey I’ll bite.

    https://apnews.com/article/effa850295a8406d892c61048fcb2e14

    in this article you will find that instructors can definitely be held criminally liable as skydive instructors.
     
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    Yes, reckless discharge of a firearm and possibly other laws could be applied to that. People have even been charged for that in hunting accidents.
     
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    Yes, they can, and based on the article which I linked, movie sets typically have very strict rules about firearms, but apparently many of those rules were not followed. Even the people who got shot, did not follow the rules, because when a prop-gun (with blanks) is fired towards a camera, there should be no people standing around that area. Also, the armorer is responsible not only to make sure the firearms are safe, but also to instruct the actors about firearm safety, and the actors are responsible for following the instructions to the letter. Looks like lot of rules were broken by lot of different people.

    It depends. Dick Cheney was not charged for his firearm accident.
     
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    I don’t like Cheney so I hope you’re not using that as an excuse for this accident. Cheney is also part of the elites as well so again just pointing out another elite that the law doesn’t apply to doesn’t change my argument that there are two standards.
     
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    Dick Cheney is a democrat - he only played a Genuine American on TV.
     
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    they do not unpack their chute and check it, cause they hired someone to do that
     
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    Did you read the full post. I literally proved that they can be held criminally liable. So what’s your point
     

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