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  1. struth

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    The federal debt never shrunk under obama. Wow...he in fact doubled it. The deficit and debt are two separate things. Wow
     
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    I am not simply wrong mo. Tax revenue in relation to the rising debt has not increased and the debt will spike when Trump begins to keep his campaign promises. We are no longer in a recession and yet the spending is going thru the roof with no end in sight.
     
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    Well if it hasn’t happened, then you are wrong
     
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    It wasn't bad for the middle class. The middle class did not participate to the extent that it should have participated. The wealthy
    were doing just fine and didn't need a goosing since the economy was already improving without a stimulus. The middle class is still behind the 8 ball. In fact, Trump said, just before the election, that he was going to give the poor working middle class a tax cut, yes? Another lie.
     
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    No I am not wrong because it has happened and will spike when Trump begins to keep his campaign promises since there is no income
    to pay for them. One of his empty promises was that he would eliminate the national debt., yes?
     
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    But it hasn’t happened. Tax revenue is up, the debt is growing at a smaller rate.
     
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    Tax revenue is up from when? Obama? There was little tax revenue because of a recession which affected jobs and income.
    The debt is soaring.
     
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    From the prior year. Tax revenue didn’t even take that big of a hit under Obama . Revenue has never really been an issue. I agree the debt increased massively under obama with his massive spending...this did nothing to stimulate the economy. Debt has slowed down since he left office and is growing at a faster rate, jobs have come back and the economy is doing much better now that we slowed spending and made a business friendly environment and allowed those earning to keep more.
     
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    Spending has not even begun and the debt is soaring. Infrastructure, a wall paid for by Mexico, better cheaper healthcare, soc security
    and Medicare, tax reform. All this was promised to you and me. Was he lying about that? How is he going to pay for it?
     
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    What do you mean spending hasn’t started? And no the debt is growing at a slower rate then the prior admin. We got tax reform, I had hope for SS and Medicare reform, hopefully congress will address this it was promised for next year, it needs to be done to get an even better grasp of spending. Congess and the president have reformed healthcare, there are cheaper options. He’ll continue to pay with the record tax revenue coming in
     
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    You got a tax reduction for the wealthy, which is not tax reform. Other presidents have also reduced taxes. Were their tax reductions called tax reform by anybody? You had hope for SS and Medicare? He who hopes gets the booby prize. There has been no reformation of healthcare. Quite the opposite. Healthcare today is in the toilet. The Congress will address it, maybe. The debt is soaring and at a rapid pace. Again, the country was emerging from a severe recession which explains the debt growth. There is no recession now and when Trump begins to keep his promises, the debt will soar. We are not taking in enough tax revenue to reduce or eliminate the debt as promised, so don't hang by your thumbs waiting.
     
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    We got tax reform across the board, the largest tax reform bill since Reagan in the 80s. What world are you living in? Well trunp pronised not to touch Medicare/SS it’s mcconnel and Ryan that made the promise. McConnell specifically said after the midterms into next year. Hope it happens, they are the largest drivers of debt and aren’t substaibable. We certainly, haven’t got the replace and replace of Obamacare, but we got a compromise, and parts of it. Making more cheaper options available and cutting a tax.

    Who promised to end the debt? Nobody. Never gonna happen. The debt has however drastically slowed in the rate of growth. These are simple facts
     
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    Trump made that promise during his campaign that he will eliminate the national debt. Trump is in favor of touching SS and Medicare and if he isn't then why not speak up?
    Instead of giving the wealthy that huge tax cut windfall, Trump should have done something to shore up SS and Medicare to keep his promise. When you are old enough your attitude will change. There is no compromise for Obama care. Now they are going to fix Obamacare, or so they say.
     
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    He never ever made the promise he’d elimate the national debt, it’s not possible. He gave all Americans a tax cut when the tax reform legislation was passed. SS and Medicare do need reform and needed it for awhile...I hope congress tackles that, and trump signs it, breaking his promise. Because I want to get older and have something left for all I am payin into it. The fixes where the compromises. Doing away with the tax penalty, opening open to allow insurance company to offer more plans etc
     
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    Nothing has been fixed yet.
     
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    Don't wonder why the left has no credibility.....this is why.
     
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    I am not from the left. I simply do not support a class A con-man. Exactly what in that post do you find that has no credibility. You took out of context. What is why?
     
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    You contradicted yourself. You quite literally say the exact opposite thing in two different posts in the same thread. Nothing was taken out of context....it was crystal clear.

    Our conversation is over. I'm not wasting my time with someone whose hatred of trump dictates their posts.
     
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    No, my love of our country dictates my posts. And you took out of context.
    I refer you to post #129. Read all of it again, instead of one sentence since I qualified that sentence. A hell of a deflection, yes?
     
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