Amber Guyger: Trial begins for ex-Dallas cop who killed neighbor in apartment mix-up

After you have been living in a place for quite a long time you no longer look for door numbers so any door numbers are not really relevant. What I was surprised to read in your link is that the officer's home was not searched. This cannot be true, surely?

 

It’s not a mistake. Even if she was too stupid to read the numbers or realize what floor she is on, what are the chances their apartments have the same layout with the same furniture?

 

Agree with that... she's unlikely to be a continuing danger to society (quite the opposite in fact), so if you question unnecessary prison time, as I do, I'm not sure what good it would do to lock her up forever...

 

Because she's a LEO, she's armed, she's trained to confront danger, and she believes that it's her own home.

 

Funny that the police chief says that is not how she was trained and it was someone else's home.

I have lived in apartments and right away when you go to the wrong apartment you realize it isn't yours.

The young man was lying on the floor dying and she rendered no aid to him, sorry she needs to to do 30 to life for this.

 

She's also trained to call for backup. She admitted she thought someone had broken in. There could've been a whole gang of trespassers in there, she didn't know how many. She walks in and Jean is on the sofa eating a bowl of ice cream, and she blows him away.

 

What if the Officer was a middle aged black male, coming of off a twelve hour shift and coming down from fatigue and adrenaline and so forth, and the victim a young white female in the exact same circumstances? Would you still say he should get life in prison for a horrible mistake.

 

Since when does seeing someone sitting in your living room eating a bowl of ice cream trigger you to shoot them dead? Clearly she wasn't in her right mind, was extremely disoriented, and thought she was doing the right thing.

 

I would and you wouldn't be calling it a mistake if that were the case. There is too many things she could have done to prevent this murder from taking place and by the way she is not a victim the young man whose life was taken is.

 

no argument from me on that, I thought the jury might decide on a manslaughter charge, but they obviously spend more time learning the facts, the legal aspects, then deliberating it than I did so I have to accept that they made what they thought was the right decision.

One thing that had me scratching my head is during deliberations they made a semi-big deal on the news about the demographics of the jury, (and this isn't the first time i've heard this) how many males, females, whites/blacks and made the assumption that the racial mix would have an impact on the decision. Its a bit disconcerting that there are still assumptions made that a verdict can swing one way or another based on race, its like racism/bigotry is a default assumption, the race of the victim/defendant comes first and the actual act comes 2nd , that's a bit sad considering its 2019.

 

Its a hell of a situation for both parties assuming she was 100% truthful, I assume if it was me that i'd immediately head the other direction back out the door, but then again I don't have a gun strapped to my waist, ever.

 

I'd feel the same as I do about the Officer no matter the race or gender.

 

She shot him from the doorway. The kitchen light was on and the tv was on.

 

As would I, and as it should be. So why would CBS (or ABC, I forget) say that the racial makeup of the jury is an important discussion point? They are implying that race is a factor in the deliberation, whites will be less likely to convict a white person with a black victim and that blacks are more likely to convict due to the victim/defendant's race. The race of the jurors or the two parties should have absolutely nothing to do with the facts of the case but it appears that they want to just drop in the reminder that race is a factor, race is a factor, race is a factor, because of racism, gotta have our daily dose.

the vast majority of high media profile "incidents" include racial issues and the constant reminder, white/black white/black and prioritizes when its white cop, black victim, when its reversed race isn't a factor. Its just frustrating that we can't avoid the constant push to remind us that race is a factor.

 

yip, she's guilty, and again I just have cursory knowledge of ALL the facts but I would likely have leaned towards manslaughter but maybe after 5 days of testimony I might feel differently, no chance that I let her off because IMO her first option should have been to exit the apartment pronto and regroup, call for assistance, whatever, it should NOT have been to draw her weapon and fire, the only thing that should generate that reaction is if he's charging at her. (and frankly in his own apartment that wouldn't be unusual, fight or flight is a split second thing)

I don't believe he did anything besides be shocked over what the hell was going on and unfortunately she went right into fight mode vs flight, but I will concede that training comes into play there but it doesn't excuse the action. I know a couple cops and several ex military and they aren't the retreat types, they immediately go into action when the poop hits the fan.

I had one ex military buddy that broke his friends jaw, he was exiting the the restroom at a restaurant and his buddy who was waiting to use it next nudged up close to the wall to scare him as a prank, (a couple beers were involved) he jumped out when the door opened and yelled, about 1/4 second later he got popped with a fist. The lesson learned is don't prank your military buddies, especially those that have gone door to door in Afghanistan.

 

You are the one who wants the information. I gave you a link where you can access it whenever you want it for this and any other case you are interested in. Eat from the tree of knowledge.

 

Amber knew exactly where she was and what she was doing. She was pissed because the guy she wanted to screw stood her up and she flew into a murderous rage and killed the black guy she knew who lived directly above her. Her thug cop buddies tried to cover it up and lie for her but for once it didn't work. There might be a chance for justice in America if this trend continues.

 

Combat veterans should never, ever, be hired as cops in any American city.

 

Historically, whites fare better with black jurors than blacks fare with white jurors. Chances are, if a black has a white jury he will be convicted even if he is a new-born baby a day old.

 

since no words can describe my response accurately I'll use a pic.

 

Unfortunately that is the reality. The same goes with how attractive the defendant is. And also applies on whether the publicity and pre-trial reporting has been positive or negative towards the defendant.

 

Why make the assumption, nobody knows these 12 jurists, we're making bold assumptions based on their skin color and nothing else.

And although I agree on attractiveness in principal and that can backfire (see below) but I can't think of a single time the news anchor said "one important factor is the fact that the defendant is very attractive and 5 of the jurors are ugly"

I once didn't hire a secretary because if she wasn't a 10 she'd be a 9.9, devastatingly beautiful mid 20's with a body that a porn star would be jealous of but at the time it was only 3 married men in the office and we collectively decided that hiring that beauty was just not worth the trouble. We hired a less qualified 50 year old that was a 4 or 5 at best.

ps, side note: given our population and number of firearms, It would shock me if this type of incident hasn't happened before maybe several times but we never heard about it because it wasn't white/black and wasn't a white cop involved. It could have also happened where the intruder gets shot and the homeowner thinks they are being robbed, not a news story unless two different races are involved.

 

Never. Whose mind was she in? They make it sound like a 12hr. shift is some sort of unendurable torture. If she was so scared, she should have called for back up. She'll have plenty of time to get in her right mind sitting in jail.

 

The jury didn't buy it. They deliberated for just 5 hours. The jury got it right.

 

Could Jurors Buying Into "Sudden Passion" Defense lead to a Lighter Sentence?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/us/amber-guyger-trial-sentencing/index.html