American Revolution

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Til the Last Drop, Oct 1, 2011.

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What would you do?

  1. Fight for the status quo

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  2. Fight for America

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    77.8%
  3. I'm a front runner

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  4. I do what I'm told

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  1. Buzz62

    Buzz62 New Member

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    Oh how convenient...

    But thin at best...

    Your military is everywhere.
    You attack countries without provocation.
    You meddle in other country's political processes.

    "Oh but maybe if we just reneged on our agreements in the oceans, calling it "Protection of American Flag Carrier's Act" we could claim we're NOT imperialists..."

    LOL...ever spit into a wind storm?
     
  2. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    No I haven't. America can no longer maintain the status quo of empire. But it can turn the necessity of withdrawal into an advantage. The beauty of this is that it is all passive.
     
  3. MegadethFan

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    Could you elaborate on this?
     
  4. Buzz62

    Buzz62 New Member

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    And this I might actually agree with.

    Perhaps I misunderstood you intent with this "Flag Act" business.
    America does certainly need to pull back on its military involvement.
    This will (*)(*)(*)(*)-off NATO and the UN...but tough crap.
    Financially its essential, and I bet the other nations will understand that.
    But lets not mistake this "pee-hole-in-the-snow" gesture as an end to American Imperialism. It would take much much more to convince anyone of that.
     
  5. krunkskimo

    krunkskimo New Member

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    depends.

    If it was a corporate sponsored coupe (like the ones we've seen in latin america) i would fight for the government.

    If our democracy litteraly collapsed i would fight for the freedom of the people to choose their new government and a system that works.

    If it was tommorow based on today's sociopolitical enviroment? i would just sit back and watch the government quell the tea party revoltuion like most americans would.
     
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  6. Albert Di Salvo

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    America maintained an international system that had many consequences all over the world. It was called Pax Americana. It was also called American hegemony. It produced Globalism. Globalism in conjunction with domestic stasis produced unintended consequences.

    One of those consequences was the hollowing out of the American economy. It was the ruthless efficiency of the American economy that produced American power in the first place.

    The result is that America now has a crippled economy that can no longer fund the military apparatus that was one of the linchpins of Pax Americana. Thus, the American military enterprise can no longer be maintained as it once was.

    This is where America turns necessity into a virtue. Traditionally, it was the American Navy that was the star of the American military. It will become that way again.

    So as American hegemony ends the world is going to change. However, it will still take naval power to ensure the globalized system that all the world, especially China, seems to love.

    America can use its retreat to strategic advantage (assuming that America doesn't decide to commit suicide which is a very real possibility).
     
  7. Albert Di Salvo

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    If one wishes to get something done in America it's a good idea to wrap it in the flag.

    NATO is a dead letter. NATO will end up being as effective as the Knights of Columbus.

    Don't mistake my attitude towards the rest of the world. I'm a white man with a concealed Han attitude.
     
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    Yet if we keep electing the current status quo politicians, it will never change.
    Seems we rather live in the farce of what once was.
    Earlier you spoke of Congress addressing it as a cost cutting factor.
    Wouldn't the way have to be paved by
    1-eliminating lobbyists altogether
    2-getting out of the UN
    among others?
     
  9. Albert Di Salvo

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    It would take something like a Stalinist Purge or the Chinese Civil War to get rid of lobbyists.

    Better than getting out of the UN is the idea of destroying it from the inside. This can be done through use of the veto and preventing UN Security Council reform. The UN will die on the vine. Btw, there isn't any need to continue funding it except in fits and starts.
     
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    Depending of what kind of Revolution is going on.

    If it is a communist revolution, I would sit on the fence, watching, and depending how communists are doing the things and the final intention join to them. If they implement something communist and close to anarchism I would fight in their side.

    If it is some kind of fascist revolution, I don't know what I would do. Maybe defend the status quo and in the meanwhile try to take over to install an anarchist revolution.

    But, defend the status quo, no. In any case.
     
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    I'd gather a big pile of rocks and stack them up neatly on the north shore of the St-Lawrence river. If any shenanigans spill over the border, I'll throw rocks at the combatants until they go back south.
     
  12. Albert Di Salvo

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    We don't know which direction is south.
     
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    A few rocks in the head will teach you.
     
  14. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    Good luck with that. That sounds like the triumph of hope over experience.

    On a more serious note, Canada is going to change substantially over the next few decades as a result of legal and illegal immigration from America. Canada is the land of opportunity.
     
  15. Til the Last Drop

    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've actually met a lot of Canadians who know the truth of the western world and are as adamantly anti-globalization as many Americans. It is going to come down to a war between the do-what-your-tolds and those who know the truth. Because you know the elite wont fight. I feel sorry for those who fight for the global regime. If they lose, or if they win. Lord knows what life will be like with only brainwashed people left. You all will go from celebrating in the street to a line to get a computer chip put in you. LOL
     
  16. Albert Di Salvo

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    The Canadian public schools are far superior to American public schools. Critical analysis is taught up north.
     
  17. Til the Last Drop

    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, I've seen some youtube clips of Canadian professors lecturing and was blown away at the level of honesty. They truly present all options, and just facts pertaining to those options. Real education. A thing of beauty.
     
  18. MegadethFan

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    If you mean, it was violations of market principles across the years in various ways to sustain economic conditions, then yes...

    Correct...

    I would like to see the decline of America usher in a phase of global international reform in terms of political relations, ie the US uses what power remains of its position to create structured institutions that can pro preserve world peace and stability, but I dont think the US would pursue such ends until it is too late, and then the question arises, will the US cut off its unnecessary military assets to retain its core democratic institutions, as Britain did after ww2, or will it attempt to maintain that hegemony and internally degenerate further.
     
  19. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    I know. I figured it out. You have a dream. You need a power to help implement the dream. But we have a very different dream. We don't dream of international peace and brotherhood. We dream of American jobs. Our dream can be realized, but in the process your dream must be put to the sword.

    The International Left reminds me of Jason and the Argonauts. Do you know what Dragon's Teeth are? Chinese ambitions will be the Dragon's Teeth that slays the dreams of the International Left. I learned about Dragon's Teeth as a boy watching the mastery of Harry Harryhausen:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yYeZMx1Y7U&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL9E30D6FFF6E8AFD7"]Jason And The Argonauts - Skeleton Fight - YouTube[/ame]
     
  20. MegadethFan

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    I dont have a "dream", I have principles based on reason and morality that is derived from it. If your country's need to have jobs requires the breach of the freedom of others it is not a valid pursuit.

    I'm not left wing.
     

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