gun banners pretend they are elites and better educated than those who advocate gun rights. It is a typical attitude of control freaks who want to run the lives of others, and tell others what they need and don't need. Control freaks are a main reason why free men need to be well armed.
Try argumentation (regarding a subject) rather than personal deprecation. This is, after all, a debate forum ...
I don't dispute your facts. I just question their relevance. Gun availability has little impact on homicide rates, and those people would be just as dead if they were killed with a different weapon. As for the suicide rates, those are unfortunate, but it's just a cost of being a free country.
SENSELESSNESS Well, you got that ALL WRONG. In France, where I live, automatic weapons of any kind are forbidden. Shot-guns are allowed during the hunting-season - and that is all! The consequence? Overall gun-related deaths are nearly non-existent! Comparative gun-death rates per person by country: When you've got a cold, you do something! When a personal accident happens you do something! (Or the consequence gets worse!) But, when one is feeling down-and-out, takes a gun and commits suicide that "something" is not worth doing? What sort of Senseless-Nonsense is that? What should be done is disallowing the property-right to a gun that nobody really needs. They are not "toys" and should not be freely sold to all and sundry. Except for lawful hunting, when, yes maybe people should be allowed to hunt. But those seasons must be strictly defined by law in each state.
Statistics show that I have it entirely correct. Gun availability has little impact on homicide rates. Here in the US full-autos have been heavily restricted for nearly 90 years. Yes, but so what? Those people would be just as dead if they were murdered with a different weapon. No. America chooses to remain a free country. We are not going to become serfs. Free people have the right to have guns for their private self defense, among other things.
This discussion is useless because you refuse to acknowledge the vast difference between the US and the EU: "The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries" https://mises.org/wire/mistake-only-...oped-countries EXCERPT " Note, however, that these comparisons always employ a carefully selected list of countries, most of which are very unlike the United States. They are countries that were settled long ago by the dominant ethnic group, they are ethnically non-diverse today, they are frequently very small countries (such as Norway, with a population of 5 million) with very locally based democracies (again, unlike the US with an immense population and far fewer representatives in government per voter). Politically, historically, and demographically, the US has little in common with Europe or Japan. The US has the highest murder rate in the "developed world" — presumably because of its lax guns laws —we are told again and again. Few people who repeat this mantra have any standard in their heads of what exactly is the "developed" world. They just repeat the phrase because they have learned to do so. They never acknowledge that when factors beyond per capita GDP are considered, it makes little sense to claim Sweden should be compared to the US, but not Argentina. Such assertions ignore immense differences in culture, size, politics, history, demographics, or ethnic diversity. Comparisons with mono-ethnic Asian countries like Japan and Korea make even less sense"CONTINUED
Oh, yet it is. I saw that from the get-go. Nonetheless, all I am doing is showing you the similarities. Which you don't like. Tough for you, too bad ...
I think he doesn't. What has been going on at the NRA has done so for a long, long time. Given the present incredibly high death-rate from guns, Americans would be safer without them. Or, at the very least, the hand-guns as well as automatic and semi-automatic versions ...
Even if that were true, our freedom would still be worth the increased deaths. Luckily however, what you said is not even remotely true. Statistics are quite clear that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates. And the US placed heavy restrictions on full-auto weapons nearly 90 years ago.
The NRA is a grassroots American lobbying organization. It does not sell guns to Mexican Cartels. Eric Holder, former Attorney General for Obama sold guns to Mexican Cartels under an operation called Fast and Furious. Have you ever lived in the US? How from France do you propose to know anything about the US? I live in the State of West VA. Without a permit I can (and do) legally carry a handgun. So can anyone else who is not a criminal. And where I live is very safe.
I don't recall where you've shown me any similarities between the EU, and the US however, I've lived, worked and studied in Europe and I've lived, worked and studied in the US. Unless you've lived, worked and studied in the US, you're hardly in a position to acknowledge the fact that there are vast differences in culture, climate differences, size, politics, history, demographics, and ethnic diversity.
PLAYING WITH FIRE Grass roots, me arse. Grass roots of what? Those who offend the law! From here: Violence Policy Center: How the NRA Works to Rearm Criminals Except: Want an analysis of how repetitive crime is amongst some convicted felons? See here: Recidivism Among Federal Violent Offenders - United States Quote: Ya wanna play with fire? Ya gonna get burnt ... !
Try to tell the truth, the U.S. is not number one in murders.. Here are the 10 countries with the highest homicide rates: El Salvador (82.84 per 100k people) Honduras (56.52 per 100k people) Venezuela (56.33 per 100k people) United States Virgin Islands (49.26 per 100k people) Jamaica (47.01 per 100k people) Lesotho (41.25 per 100k people) Belize (37.60 per 100k people) Saint Vincent And The Grenadines (36.46 per 100k people) Saint Kitts And Nevis (34.23 per 100k people) South Africa (33.97 per 100k people)
What you just posted is a lie propagated by a well known anti-gun group, the NRA has never backed such a proposal.
I was born there. I lived there. I still vote there! Have you any notion whatsoever why Lafayette was adopted as a name by thirty-six American cities? The American flag hangs continuously beside him at his grave in Paris.
First you claimed the NRA sold guns to Mexican cartels which is absurd. Now you claim that the NRA legislates and/or administers US Government laws or programs. Which is even more absurd. What the NRA does is lobby Congress and assign candidate's ratings. That is how democracy works in the US. The Violence Policy center likewise appears to be a left wing lobbying group making absurd left wing claims that people who don't live in America and know nothing about America apparently think are true. You will certainly never burn anyone in a debate based on well reasoned arguments. You don't have a clue what grassroots lobbying is. So I will educate you. Grassroots lobbying is the general public directly contacting politicians whereas direct lobbying would be rich elite like anti-2nd Amendment Bloomberg having professional lobbyists contact politicians. See the difference So now you will know better than to claim the NRA is not a grass roots lobbying organization.
Take that up with the author of the article that I quoted. I could give a damn about the "grassroots" in America. I frankly think that our roots are all over the place and not in any One Political Culture. We've over-used the word. And there is certainly no dominance of culture. Just dominance of Moneyed Individuals - that we allowed a cockamamie reduction of upper-income taxation to generate is/was a serious political mistake. Because exaggerated wealth destroys mutuality in a nation, which is its most important social-attribute. THAT is the heart of Income Disparity - an economic notion that you cannot seem to grasp or understand. It destroys forever a sense of Common Effort and Sharing of the results. Not all equally, but all sufficiently* ... *Meaning that we have far too many of us living at or below the Poverty Threshold ... For your edification, the meaning of the two words (from here): Why is Income Inequality dangerous to any society? Now take that sentence and search-it in google ... ... ...
Of course I'm well aware of Lafayette's significant contribution to the American Revolution, I'm from Virginia where the British surrendered at Yorktown.
A problem which is not applicable to the US, in this country if one is willing to get a basic education and work they will never live in poverty, in fact if they are willing to work harder they can be quite successful and become very wealthy. In the US, unlike may parts of the world, everyone is afforded the opportunity to succeed, of course there some who refuse to exercise that opportunity and do live in poverty, but they have only themselves to blame, in reality the greatest causes of poverty in the US are ignorance, dependence, criminal activity and a victim mentality. And no amount of money or social programs will solve those problems, they must be solved by those people themselves.
The black ex cop who ended up killing himself. He didn't use an assault rifle did he? I recall there was evidence he used a semi auto. This happened in 2013, I doubt he had a pre ban assault rifle given they were selling for 25K by then
