And so the arrogance goes on and on..

Truth shall set you free.

 

All you did was make a big cut and paste.

Well done.

 

I don't care about it.

It has nothing to do with previously presented data.

 

That's the thing. He does very often produce legitimate and well constructed arguments but they are, in my view, frequently drowned out by his anti-Jew tirades. I've made that precise point previously. I personally think it's a pity.

 

Read the parts you like, and throw the rest away.

 

Nope. The Jews are evil not because they are Jews per se but because they are capitalists driven by the profit motive. That's what doesn't seem to compute.

 

That is correct.

 

Then why do you prefix your points with the Jew epithet?

 

A 100% non evil Jew AND a Jew that KNOWS FULL WELL (like this or not), that unless more Jews like her take the satantic bull by it's horns, that eventually, everyone IS going to equate Jews with - all evil doing.

I know it will go that way. She knows it. And those doing it know it.

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Rae Abileah, a 28-year old Jewish daughter of an Israeli, is a member of Code Pink, a pacifist organization. She told Ynet that she had disrupted another speech by Netanyahu at the Jewish Federations General Assembly in New Orleans in November.

"We are a young generation of Jews who don't intend to sit by in silence and allow prime ministers who commit crimes against humanity speak," she said. "As far as we're concerned he can speak at the International Criminal Court in the Hague."

Abileah says she used a card procured by a friend to sneak into the House of Representatives. "When Netanyahu began to speak about Israel and democracy a got up to speak against its anti-democratic operations," she said.

"I yelled, 'Stop the occupation, stop Israeli war crimes' and I called out for equal rights for Palestinians."

Abileah claims that immediately after her protest she was attacked by activists belonging to the Jewish lobby.

"They assaulted me and I fell on the floor. The activists strangled me and beat me. Then I was dragged out by police who arrested me," she recounted. She claims she sustained injuries to the neck and shoulders which required hospitalization.

After she was released from the hospital she was detained for a few hours by police.

Abileah says she visited Gaza a year ago and witnessed the destruction caused by Operation Cast Lead, afterwards deciding to devote her life to countering "Israel's war crimes


[video=youtube;gcaIUQGbphU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcaIUQGbphU&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

 

Non-racists don't view Jews as being responsible for all wrong-doing. To suggest otherwise, which is the basis of most of your anti-Jew posts, is a crass generalization, and therefore, by definition, racist. Do you understand that logic?

A newbie on here, who sadly doesn't seem to contribute to this forum anymore, made the excellent point that although AIPAC is the largest "Jewish" lobby in the US, it is far from the largest pro-Israeli lobby. That "accolade" belongs to the Christian Zionists. The point is, that Zionism cannot be inherently equated to Jews. Do you grasp that reasoning?

It follows, therefore, that contrary to myth, the majority of US Zionists are in reality non-Jews. This is consistent with the much repeated truism that not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews.

 

In the past or present? All nations have expanding and contracting borders based upon purchases, treaties, military conquests or defeats. As you know, Poland once disappeared entirely and France is certainly much larger than it was in the days before Joan of Arc.

A nation's size depends entirely upon it's ability to defend it's borders or expand them.

Militarily weak nations with strong and aggressive neighbors tend to lose territory, like the aforementioned Poland.

 

Okay, in good faith, I will try to answer, but since I get tired doing so, over and over, I am going to keep this post, and refer to it,any time I am asked, in the future.

There are actually several parts to the answer;

1) People write in the generic all the time. For instance, you will often hear casual ref to a general mindset of 'Americans'. Other times someone may observe that 'British people tend to be..'. We could apply that all the way through, with all things, you can use a generic, then find exceptions to it, of course. It is impossible to add a permanent caveat, listing those that I believe to be the exceptions. That said, if asked to do so, I am happy to do so, and i often do so, without being asked, by letting some of the exceptions tell you, in their own words.

2) They have reminded US over and over that they are the Jewish state. They have made that clear as day. It is they not I who have done this, and one must conclude that those there must not only agree with that ( I do not hear their public saying, 'No, we are a Zionist state', do you?), but they must fully support the core actions of their successive Gov's, for 65yrs there. They cannot blame one dictator. They cannot say they were not allowed to vote. They cannot say they are unaware of the abuses, since most of their so called citizens are soldiers in civilian clothing, therefore, part of the abuses. They cannot say they were duped by one Gov, the one time. It is ALL of their Gov's. ALL of the time. Different Jews in Israel supporting them of course, since one lot grow old and die, and their sons vote. They vote for the same thing, and they support the same thing.

3) The so called Israel lobby is really the Jewish lobby. Without Jews, there would be no Israel. With no Israel, the world would have been a far more peaceful place(imo). It is simply more PC to call them the Israel lobby, but they are a Jewish lobby, to maintain that crime HQ, and all the abuses. They call themselves Jews, not Neo Zionists. They go to Synagogues, they move in small circles of other Jews(not ALL Jews), they are Jews.

4) You cannot blame an abstract. I could write a book called 'Jack + Trouts plan for global dominion'. It would lie there and be benign, it takes people to not read it, but read it then make something from it. Real people. Actual people, with names. Zionism is just a term. The doctrine can be as dangerous as you like, it STILL takes people to breathe life into the beast. I wish Zionism were some single monster, like Godzilla, that could be defeated in one single blow. It is not. It is just a tactic, an idea. The people that breathed life into it, and make it all possible, were Jews. Yes, I fully appreciated that there are now a large mass of Shawn of The Dead Christian Zionists in the US, BUT, without the self same Jews creating Zionism, there would be no such thing as 'Christian Zionism'. That is 100% NOT Christian, nothing to do with Jesus, and if it borrows from anything, it borrows more from Jewish law. It is more PC and less risky to blame it on 'Israel'. Or 'Zionism'. Why? Because they are depersonalised, they are abstracts. They still turn it into 'Jew hater' when you use those terms anyway, but you can do that, and it may seem a safer way to go. But again, both are just terms. It takes people to make them real. The people that make them real are Jews.

 

You miss the point. What that girl was saying is that all of the horrors are being done by Jews, in the name of all Jews, and that she herself can see the danger. So can I. The answer is not to silence ANY criticism no matter how harsh. The answer is for her, and more Jews like her, to sort this problem out. As a 'people' they have created it, and since it has gone sick, then as a 'people' they have a special duty to put it right. For everyone's sake. Including their own.

 

It sounds like she was a bit out numbered by people who disagreed a bit with her.

Jane Fonda went to Hanoi and got her acting career hobbled, Frances Farmer went to Stalin's Russia and ended up dying in a nuthouse, Saint Pancake got squished like a bug. Sometimes being a wide eyed activist isn't always the smartest thing in the world to do.

 

You overlook the elephant in the room, namely, that the vast majority of the pro-Israeli lobby in the US are not Jews but Christian Zionist capitalists. This is a very important point and is the crux of the matter. Without the the support of this lobby, the so-called Jewish state would not exist. Israel has as much to do with Jews as Al-Capone era Chicago had to do with democracy and Christianity. Israel is a terrorist state run by criminals akin to a pre mafia-controlled Chicago. Again, the motive for this criminal Zionist and capitalist class who run Israel AND the US is making money at any cost even if that cost is the very foundation upon which their system is built, including the environment itself. You have a racist blind spot Jack, and it's this blind spot that undermines many of your otherwise sound arguments.

 

I was not referring to the girl. But anyway she is wrong.

 

What did she say that you can possibly disagree with? What she is saying is not opinion, but measurable fact.

Look, let us say that today, Scotland decided to shift it's borders south, so that in captured Sunderland and Newcastle, and parts of 'Boro region. Now, let us say that for the next 65yrs, successive Scottish leaders, Gov's, people, media, said over and over, until it could not be made more clear, that Scotland was a 'home for the gentile Scots'. How is that sounding so far?

Now, let us assume that over the course of those next 65yrs, and in the occupied lands of Sunderland, Newcastle, and Boro, we Scots did to them everything that has been done to the people of Palestine. ALL OF IT.

Let us then say that, generation after generation, Scottish PEOPLE supported that position here, and called anyone from Sunderland or Newcastle, a pig, a dog on two legs, human excrement, and terrorists, and if ex pat Scots raised money and lobbied the most powerful country in the World to ensure we could sustain that position, would I think it fair, if, after ALL of that, people arrived at the impression that this is what Scots are and this is what Scots must want?

Yes!

Of course . Of course people would say it, and they would say Scots, because it would be true.

If there were ex pat Scots, or Scots from here who did not like the reputation, then sorry, it is up to them to change the social thinking of their own country and people, and Gov's, and so on, you do not then just forget all of that, and hush it all up.

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Yes, I 'ignored' it, save for the part in which I did not.

Here it is again, just for you.


'Yes, I fully appreciated that there are now a large mass of Shawn of The Dead Christian Zionists in the US, BUT, without the self same Jews creating Zionism, there would be no such thing as 'Christian Zionism'. That is 100% NOT Christian, nothing to do with Jesus, and if it borrows from anything, it borrows more from Jewish law.'

 

You have again not got things accurate. It was British Christian Zionists who first got the idea of Jews moving back to the region for their own aims.

Napoleon had thought similarly in his day - a good way for Europe/Britain to give Jews their own country/ get rid of it's Jews and provide a pro European colony in the ME.

 

The borders did change, but not in a way you suppose. England has taken a big chunk of Scotland and now it's people are English. They've even taken quite a bit of your sea since 1987, lol.

They keep you all worked up about the goings on in the Middle East so you won't notice such things.

 

'Christian Zionists' (ho ho ho), served a multi purpose role and still do.

1) They act as a good fall guy. They tend to be very vocal, and loud, and say extreme and strange things. They have been trained, yes trained, over time, to act and think the Jewish way, the Israeli way, whatever you want to call it. Thus when great evil is done for the Jewish state, to benefit Jews, people (like you), can turn around and say 'Ah but, it was not really the Jews, it was the Christian Zionists'.

Therefore, they are setting them up to take the blame. In future, lest history record this evil, it will downplay the Jewish culpability, and put it on 'Christian Zionists'. Which will eventually come to mean 'Christians'. We can see that to be true, since you are doing it, TMR.

This nonsense CZ only came to pass, due to Israel. NOT the other way around. Big difference. It is true that the first seeds were planted, in the US, long before 1948. It really derived from the 'Scholfield Bible', who himself was backed by Jews.

It takes time to build a cult following. One that will blindly follow you, give you money, and even die for you.

If 100 people here began a cult today, for sure, with devotion, in 20 yrs, there would be a following.

In 50yrs it could be substantial. We (the creators of it), would be dead, but our creation would live on, serving the purpose it was intended to do.

It is hardly a coincidence that CZ just so happens to be almost exclusive to the US, that just so happens to have like a 1400% over representation of Jews, in media, money, and politics.

If there was none of that, that is to say, if those three things were not concentrated into the hands of a small cabal of mainly Jews, for Israel, then over time, your CZ would be reduced to being like the WBC.

And that is all that needs to be said about anti Christian Zionism.

 

Who are the smartest and most true followers of Jesus, in the US? Probably the Amish. They lead a simple life, they do not eat toxic food, they retained their strong sense of community, and you do not see them wittering on about Jews, Israel, and poncing around like billionaires, do you?

No.

And why not? Because these 'simple' people knew it was CRUCIAL to hold ON TO the building blocks of community and unity. Not give it HIV, by way of effing it up the backside, with a penis riddled with 'capitalism', 'money', 'things',and 'Israel'.

 

My great, great grandfather invented Dispensationalism long before that. He wasn't an American and was Anglo Irish from King's County in Ireland, although he was born in Westminster. The Scofield Bible that became popular here in the States was based upon his teachings. There is nothing Jewish about it.

 

How little you know.

http://www.mideastweb.org/britzion.htm

 

Yep, that's Gramps!

 

A massive cut and paste.

In your world, what has happened in Israel is anyone's fault but Jews.