...And Yes, Barack Obama is a Marxist

you have demonstrated repeatedly that you have no idea what you are talking about. to prove me wrong, all you need to do is define marxism/communism/socialism and provide specific examples that makes obama one.

all your dancing and dodging is doing is confirming that you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

As has been pointed out, obviously not, you can't define it, you can't name a single 'communist policy'. You've got nothing other than parroting the same ignorance over and over.

I hang out with a Jew. I'm not one. Guilt by association is the epitome of childish naivety.

I decorated my tree with a far right fundamentalist christian. I'm only one of those things, again... more childish guilt by association.

Not one single thing you've named makes someone a communist, better luck next time. Thank you for once again though flaunting your ignorance of the subject for all to see.

 

Unfortunately, it was these kinds of people who got Obama elected in 2008.

Maybe these idiots will stay away from the voting booths this time!



An ardent Obama supporter is shown defecating on the American flag

 

WTF???

Go Love Commies in your own thread.

 

Now understanding political economy and being aware of definitions equates to a love of communism.

Is it possible for the intellectual level of this thread to sink any further? Stay Tuned!

 

Yes, If you remain it will sink further.....

Heres Obama telling you hes a communist and the constitution is flawed....

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Didnt this fool swear an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic?​

 

Where is the valid evidence for your claim.

xmas tree decorations and having a conversation with a communist does not make one a communist.

Your evidence is absurd and fails even to pass the giggle test nevermind qualify as valid.

 

apparently you can't define it or you would know I spoke the truth

 

Are we talking about the same BARACKarl OBAMArx?

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jr9mLB3yKs"]Obama Constitution Negative Liberties.flv - YouTube[/ame]

 

Look .. you already failed the " Do I have a clue about logic" test with this comment.

Anyone who makes such simple minded arguments does so because they have no material.

 

You're a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

thank you for proving once again that you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

The evidence for the claim is in Obama's actions.

And additional evidence is that which plagues other communist and socialist philosophies.- they have to be administered by dishonesty and/or violence. And Obama's actions are full of the dishonesty part.

If you are tempted to ask, "What actions are you talking about?", then I would conclude that you are not paying attention to what he is doing, or else your leftwing sources are not revealing the story to you in a way that would let you see what some of us see.

And like Louis Armstrong said when asked "What is jazz?"...-"If you have to ask, then you'll never know."

 

the onus is on you. YOU made the claim, not me. you're just upset because you got called on your nonsense. You've been challenged to define marxism/communism/socialism and to provide specific examples that makes obama one.

you and others have run away each and every time. you are not fooling anyone.

 

As I said, marxism is nothing more than anti capitalist class envy. He thinks capitalism leads to a ruling class that controls the state and a peasant class who is ruled by them. His answer to that is communism achieved by a revolt of the peasants who would necessarily have to eliminate large masses of the ruling class. They would then have to be controlled by dictatorship until such time as the classes equalize and all is well in the new utopia.

The major flaw is human nature is predominately that we would prefer to only produce as much as we need for survival, so it fails every time.

Its class envy, just as I have stated.

 

*sigh* another righty who can't define it, nor cite specific examples which makes obama one.

 

that is not the definition of marxism. try again

 

What actions ? You are full of outlandish claims but have provided zero evidence to support these claims.

This type of demonization of people without cause is the problem and folks within the party that do this are an embarrassment to real Conservatives that are actually interested in change and not meaningless rhetoric.

 

Baseless claims.

The major flaw is the lack of evidence in support of your claims.

This type of baseless name-calling from those within the party is an embarassment to "real" Conservatives who are interested in change rather than rhetoric.

 

What actions? I addressed that question in my post.

And by the way, I'm not a conservative. Not by a long shot. I agree with a TON of Obama's policies. It is the WAY, and the timing of his with which I disagree. The way is dishonesty and the timing is too soon(typically liberal).

Rhetoric which is true and factual is not meaningless.

And anyway, THAT was addressed my post also. You really don't pay attention when you read, do you?

When I say Obama is a horrible President, it is addressed to people who are watching fairly enough to have noticed it, but who are confused that a President would actually ACT like this. My talk is a way of saying to them, "The negatives which you notice are actual. Obama is probably the worst choice for President, this or any other year."

People like YOU would not recognize the evidence if it WAS placed in front of you, because you are too partisan to allow yourself to see that you may be wrong.

 

Disagree. First of all, it isn't baseless..
But secondly, it isn't addressed to people like you, who have no chance of seeing the truth about it, until you take off the partisan blinders. It is addressed to those who are on the fence.

So just relax. If those things you don't like aren't true, they'll have no power in the long run.

 

As seemingly the only actual communist, and former Marxist, on this message board, personally I feel like I'm the only PF member with a right to speak on this subject. (I consider myself a democratic socialist or an independent communist, take your pick. For me, they both mean the same thing.)

No, Obama is not a communist, a socialist, an anti-capitalist, or anything of this nature. In fact, it is entirely debatable whether he even qualifies as a social-democrat (i.e. what people in this country call a "progressive": a proponent of a mixed economy). Most of the things Obama has actually done in the area of economy as president have so far involved some form of privatization. For example, the Administration has consistently supported expanding the charter school system, which can only come at the expense of actual public schools. Likewise "Obamacare", even when fully implemented (and it isn't yet), will only essentially constitute an expansion of Medicaid (the program that pays poor people to buy private insurance) at the expense of Medicare (the state provider of free health insurance to the elderly), thus expanding the private sector at the expense of the public sector. That is only the beginning. I could likewise highlight the Administration's decision to authorize commercial space flights at NASA's expense and probably about a million other examples. By these objective standards (privatization versus socialization of economic life), the Obama team is probably the most right wing White House administration in at least 80 years. I cannot think of anything the Obama White House has actually brought under some form of permanent public ownership, and especially not actual public management. He can't even manage to raise the taxes of the richest one percent! No, he is not a socialist, I promise you. I'm not even on board with his re-election campaign as yet myself. I can't come up with a good reason to support him that isn't easily outweighed by all the reactionary policies he's put into place.

And frankly, if Mr. Obama is indeed a Marxist, then why, out of roughly two or three dozen fringe Marxist parties in this country (none of which have a domestic membership exceeding 2,500 people) do only two support him? The consensus view among actual, self-described Marxists is that Obama is not even close to being one of them.

By the way, the two Marxist groups that do actually support Obama's re-election bid are the Communist Party and one branch of the Freedom Road Socialist Organization: two groups that are as serious about Marxism as Deng Xiaoping and Mikhail Gorbachev were. (Both of whom they retrospectively support.) My point is that there are no authentic Marxists who support Obama. If Marxists themselves don't consider Obama a Marxist, why do you?

 

Just FYI: This thread isnt about your tears, its about Obama and his love for communism.

 

I find it interesting that all those who want a definition of marxism deny my definition, yet fail to provide their's to prove I'm wrong.

Where is your evidence I am wrong.