Another Putin assassination

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Poohbear, Dec 6, 2019.

  1. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If any point of mine is "BS" then fill me in and I will amend my position, as I have done many times on this
    forum.

    Re Israel targeted assassination. Israel is at war with her Arab and Persian neighbors.
    This isn't your normal rule-of-law-request-for-extradition.

    The targets of Israel are almost always people who have attacked Israeli civilians (ie Ayyash The Engineer)
    These targets are considered heroes in their own countries (ie Hezbollah's Nasrallah)
    Taking them out reduced terror attacks, war and even nuclear danger (ie Syria's Suleiman, nuke architect)
    And some were targeted to put a price on attacking Israelis (ie the Red Prince from Black September)

    In these instances the assassinations reduced civilian deaths.
    Were these examples of "war crimes" ?
    Maybe, who's to say? How is "war" defined? How is "crime" defined?
    Get's messy.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you referring to the First Gulf War?
    Or the attack on American soil?
    Or the fact that Iraqis can vote for their own govt and don't have WMD's anymore?
    Or that Iran can't block oil in the gulf?
    Or that Ukraine is getting support?
    Or that China won't dare invade Taiwan?
    Or that the Chinese emperor's "nine dash line" is being challenged?
    Or that America is trying to save the nuclear non-proliferation treaty?
    Or that America constrains both Arabs and Jews in the Levant?

    And what about America's post WWII policies in SE Asia?
    Or the containment of the Soviet Union?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your example was BS - and I explained why - it was way to extreme to be related to the topic.

    The people targeted were the leaders of the resistance with which Israel has been fighting for 8 decades. They were assassinated just after both sides have agreed to a truce.

    What part of this do you not understand ? You are speaking like I never said this previously.



    You are just making stuff up - targeting the leaders broke the truce and increased the terror attacks.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    None of the Above - Sans Iraq. What a bizarre comment on Iraq - Not even sure where to begin the comment is so profoundly simplistic.

    "Or the fact that Iraqis can vote for their own govt and don't have WMD's anymore?"

    1) Iraq never did have an active WMD program .. Defacto - they did not have WMD as per the proper context. Finding some buried corroded unusable chemical shells .. does not fit this context. Done ... Finished. This is not debated in serious circles.

    So we spent 6 Trillion dollars (including Afghan) .. killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's .. more than 5000 of our own troops dead.. and tens of thousands wounded both physically and psychologically, turned Iraq into an Islamist Jihadi haven (one that had not existed previously), destroyed the country, used depleted uranium which is borderline "chemical weapon"

    And for what ? - so that Iraqis can vote for their own govt.

    Do you seriously want to do a cost/benefit analysis of the Iraq war - and claim it was not a complete disaster ?

    Moving on .. Iraq is one disaster .. turning that nation into a Jihadist wonderland was the result. In Libya we did the same - "the people must vote" - take out the bad G-man. Fellow who gave up his WMD programs on the promise of Security.

    Slaves are now being sold in open markets - and no end of horror.

    We led a global effort to arm, support and supply an Islamist Jihadist proxy army in Syria. This Army was initially led by Al Qaeda/Al Nusra - Islamic Front - and hundreds of others of the same ideology.

    England, USA, Saudi Arabia and gulf states, Qatar, Jordan, Turkey, Israel, France and others in Europe, numerous Eastern European nations Bulgaria, Croatia, Serbia .. Transferring the left over stuff from the war in Yugoslavia... and other military equipment.

    Most of the cities in Syria were turned into a strict sharia Islamist - dark age style. - within a year - Surely you have seen some of the footage .. public hangings, head choppings, kidnapping, rape, genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity ... that kind of stuff.

    Starting in late 2011 - by 2013 - we had the above. Foreign fighters had poured into Syria to fight the Holy Jihad - A USA supported movement ! The dream of an Islamic State on their minds - a safe haven from the infidel.

    The various factions coalesced into two main groups .. Al Qaeda/Al Nusra .. and IS - Islamic State - ISIL -ISIS The Islamic State was declared in late 2013 - and Assad was on the Ropes.

    That was our side ...

    Virginia Senator Thanks Syrian President Bashar Al Assad for Saving the Lives of Christians
    Open Letter of U.S. Senator Richard H. Black to President Bashar al-Assad Acknowledges US Support to Terrorists

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/virgi...ad-for-saving-the-lives-of-christians/5384338

    My personal thanks to the Syrian Arab Army and Air Force for protecting all patriotic Syrians, including religious minorities, raped, tortured, kidnapped and beheaded at the hands of the foreign jihadists”…

    I cannot explain how Americans, who suffered so grievously at the hands of al-Qaeda, were tricked into supporting the jihadists.

    But I do know that many U.S. officials disagree with equipping and training the terrorists who penetrate your borders from the Kingdom of Jordan and through Turkey. Senator Richard H. Black of Virginia, 13th District

    Yeah .. Whoo Raaa - those were "our guys" the Good Senator is talking about. Don't see him on Fox, CNN, MSNBC too much.

    OK .. but brass taxes - cost benefit. 400,000 dead, who knows how many tens of Billions - war crimes, crimes against humanity

    Disaster. The history books will not be pleasant - and that history has already been written - a dark age in US history - where we will have been found by the council to have been "Guilty" - Full Stop.

    We are already being investigated for War Crimes/humanity - for our actions in Yemen... once again we find ourselves on the same side as Al Qaeda.... Don't hear much about them these days .. its all ISIS.. ISIS.

    Those are some of the disasters I was referring to.
     

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