Another Putin assassination

The Russki moskali is his own worst enemy.....they're "evil" because they're not sure what makes them evil.)

 

Looks like merkel keeps it low profile. The chechen was a searched terrorist, involved in the metro bombings. The solution they chose is best option for germany and russia.

 

Unless Merkel agreed with it which seems highly unlikely it is an interference with the sovereignty of Germany. I am surprised you support such things.

 

I would prefer we Shot them ourself. Since thats Not possible, i agree with putin

 

It would appear your loyalty lies with your parents previous rulers not Germany. You are perhaps naive enough to believe it depends on who you want killed and possibly it does if you have no loyalty to the State of Germany. Another country coming into yours to kill people is an attack on your sovereignty and should amount to some disciplinary action from Germany - at the very least the expelling of some Diplomats. This shows Russia Germany is a weak country that Russia can do what it likes with and yourself a supporter of Russia not Germany.

 

How does anyone know it was Vladimir Putin? Has Merkel shown proof? Seems like she is blaming Russia to please Nato and the Washington war mongers. Nato fears that people might be swayed by the new revelations that Russia was not guilty for the death of Sergei Maginsky, and that the Maginsky law that Congress passed under Obama punishing Russian officials for his death, was based on false testimony by Bill Broward.

I mean my gosh, if we don't keep provoking Russia and making them an enemy with fake accusations, then what will all those poor folks in Nato and our military industrial complex going to do?

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I toot my horn and dance with glee
when listening to the reverie
of lands a-far. For what I know,
it's but a show and soon they'll go.

But not before they suffer dear
for having poked the Russian bear - Jeannette

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He's probably not a former "east German".....the EGs I've met over the last 2 decades don't talk like this poster does.....and if they heard this kinda talk they would've knocked his teeth out.

A guess would be he's a "germanized" Russki that came to Germany young from Moskolia.

@Sobo gets into quite a snit when I mentioned his granddads name was Vasily.)

 

They were Russians who were given money by certain Western banks to buy up the shares that were handed to the people when it converted to a free market. The problem was that the oligarchs were not paying taxes and the people suffered because of it.

As for Khordorovsky, a few years back a book came out in Russia with the title: Khordorovsky why did you kill my husband. It seems the mayor was killed for trying to collect taxes from him. Seems it opened another investigation, because he's now a wanted man in Russia again.

The MSM said the man was drunk, and his family said he never drank. Seems that wrong messages were being sent by the control tower. Someone probably tapped into the computer.

As for oil, it has nothing to do with oil, and everything to do with the Petrodollar which keeps our military industrial complex going. Every time a transaction is made through Swift, we make money on it and we also know know who is making the transaction. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to sanction them.

What is happening now, is that the nations that we sanction are trading between themselves outside the dollar - as well as with other nations. Hopefully our economy is adjusting to it, otherwise we and the world are in big trouble.​

 

The right way would be to make an Arrangement with our BND and we kill ourself or watch away when Russia does it. I want that vermin out of my country. If how it gets removed is irrelevant. Russia removed a tick from our Body.

Beside that i guess Merkel was informed before it happened. Her lame ass reaction and Putins lame ass bla bla Show me, that both Sides want keep it Low Profile.

 

Britain has a thing against Putin and Russia in general. It goes back centuries when they feared they might take India. More recently it might have to do with their humiliation in Syria. I recall reading that some 200 British soldiers were captured with the terrorists, and who knows how many agents might have been killed when Russia bombed the terrorist enclaves.

Of course I don't know anything for certain here, only bits and pieces I picked up.

 

The difference being I do not support this. Enjoy your world of the end of law, the end of state sovereignty and total war until you are caught by the climate extinction which is what those you serve are waiting for. There are other groups starting up for people of the more humanitarian kind.

 

The left supports Russia? What world are you living in, my friend?

 

Yeah... the difference between you and me is I live in the real world.... you float around in lala land

the lala land btw created for you by the liberal press

 

Um... just read this thread. In any contest between Russia and the USA the Left
will always sympathize with Russia. When the West accuses Russia of murdering
dissidents it is the Left that acts like the expert, seeks justification, tries obfuscation,
blames America etc.. The rationale is - my enemy's enemy is my friend.

 

What largely keeps the so-called "military industrial complex" going is Russia.
Had Glasnost continued and Russia had moderately liberal, democratic style
of government then Europe and America would have reaped the so-called
"peace dividend." The USA could have reduced its defense spending to that
of Europe today, ie 2% or less. And now we have China asserting it's imperial
nine-dash-lines everywhere - so the "military industrial complex" will continue
for another generation, at least.​

As for tampering with computers in a snow storm to steer a plane into a snow
plough. I am reminded of the death of Diana. How someone steered the brain
of Mohammed Fayed to give the keys to his son or driver and told them to drive
down that tunnel, and have a waiting car clip the Mercedes at just the right
point to cause it to strike a support, and with the occupants without seat belts
on --- was something I doubt only an alien intelligence could pull off. Same with
the snow plough.

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The Russian's did not Bomb Germany to take out the Islamist Chechen Terrorist either.

Both Israel and the US conduct "targeted assassinations" on such people under the banner of fighting terrorists - the difference being that they kill far more innocents in the process.

These attacks are often not done in war zones - like the recent targeted assassinations done by Israel.

You are the one being disingenuous here if anyone.

Simply put - we violate the Rule of Law on a regular basis in this nation - so you are engaging in a form of Pot calling Kettle Black.

 

Reminds me very much of U.S. (Reagon's) illegal invasion of Grenada right under the nose of Maggie Thatcher and the Queen ... without their consent either Yet there were no ill-meted consequences from Britain.

 

Now that would be worth reading about. Can you link it?

 

True, but the importance of debate is to be honest about distinctions.

Certainly, Israel has targeted assassinations. Example:

The guy known as "the Engineer" who built the devices used to tear
apart civilians in restaurants and buses in Israel, was taken out using
C4 in a mobile phone he had to his ear (Ayyash) There are streets
named after him in the West Bank.

Israel didn't take out buses and restaurants in an attempt to kill Ayyash
in his daily routine.

Ordinarily you would seek an extradition order - say Germany seeking
a wanted man in France. But this wasn't going to happen with a man
who was a hero to Palestinians. There was no rule of law here - and
the West Bank and Gaza operate as semi-war zones.

That's different to Russia seeking a man in Germany. Had this terrorist
been hiding out with ISIS, Al Quaeda or the Taliban in Afghanistan
somewhere then personally I would have applauded the Russians for
killing him.

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(And Ayyash operated after the Palestinians rejected the Olso accord
which would have given them 97% of their land and a commensurate
amount in Israel proper.)

 

The Geneva Conference of 1954 stated that Vietnam would conduct Free Democratic National Elections in 1956. The U.S. refused to sign and instead sent troops to occupy and wage war against the Vietnamese people thus making both U.S. presence and U.S. war illegal.

Quite true. There were never going to be free elections in North Vietnam, anymore
than there being free elections in North Korea. And Hanoi refused to allow Catholics
to flee to the more democratic south (machine gunning thousands of them down BTW)
And Vietnamese nationalist in the North, and later in the South, had to swear allegiance
to Ho Chi Mihn, leave politics or be assassinated.

This was the EXACT SAME PATTERN AS EASTERN EUROPE UNDER
THE LEFT WING'S "UNCLE JOE."

So that's why the US refused to accept "free elections" in Vietnam. The people of
South Vietnam had all this figured out by the time of the Tet offensive - and did not
rise against the Americans.

Instead of South Vietnam becoming like South Korea, it became like North Korea.
To my knowledge, not one lying "peace activist" marched in defense when more
people died in Laos, Cambodia and South Vietnam than in the whole of the "Vietnam
War" when America left.

 

Some pretty thin hairs you are splitting methinks. Russia has huge problems with Islamist radicals - much bigger than the US - not sure how to compare to Israel but they have big problems.

Germany may not want to extradite - perhaps this guy had political assylum .. but regardless - if you want to assassinate someone you don't announce it prior by asking for an extradition warrant.

That's not how Mossad would do it.

This last Targeted Assassination by Israel went after the head of the Islamic Resistance/Jihad/PLO - what ever they are calling themselves these days.. and another of high standing. The problem was that this was right after a ceasefire had been agreed to.

When you make a deal with the leader of the rebel resistance - and then Assassinate the guy - is not how to win friends and influence Palestinians - or anyone else for that matter. Its not impressive.

They managed to kill the leader - his wife and kids. The other fellow they were after was in Syria - they bombed a place in a case of mistaken identity - killing a large number of innocents - in a foreign nation.

Have not seen the Russian's or China taking out a bunch of innocents on a regular basis - like US and Israel.

These are a small step below war crimes - in far too many cases. I for one would be in favor of extending the definition of war crimes (or give it a different name) to include killing of innocents and claiming "it was a mistake" ... if your intelligence is not good enough to distinguish between a cotton worker camp - and a terrorist cell - perhaps you should not be dropping bombs.. and when this does happen - there should be hell to pay - Regardless of which nation does it - we need to can the hypocrisy as the world is changing - and we can't get away with this like we used to be able to decades ago - when we were the only economic game in town.

If we don't follow the Rules - why should anyone else ?

The time to set international precedent is now - and what we are setting is bad precedent.

 

If Jibberish were a religion you would be at least a Cardinal.

 

Your sentiments are Noble. But the devil is in the details.
And one super serious issue with the Liberal Left is that war crimes appear to be things
WE do. I often ask this of Lefties, "What do you think of, ie Hanoi in Cambodia?" or
"You okay with Russia threatening the Baltic states?" and the answer is invariably, "That's
got nothing to do with us. We are only interested in ...." followed by boiler plate clichés right
out of Central Castings about American Imperialism etc..

And if America went to war against some narco, Communist, nuclear aspiring, rhino killing
nation and just one civilian died - that would be classed as a "war crime." Not what the offending
nation did or wanted to do.


It's a faulty balance, dressed in humanitarian hypocrisy.

 

1) I am not part of the liberal left
2) we are not discussing during war
3) and your examples are obscene and absurdly extremist and flat out BS even if we were discussing war.
4) you say the devil is in the details but give none - were were discussing a specific example with respect to the latest targeted assassinations by Israel - and I gave you the details. Then there are numerous US examples.

You completely avoided addressing my summary point with respect to setting bad precedent - all our regime change wars over the past 2 decades is a litany of disaster.