Are forced taxes theft.

And you agree to the taxes on said property/land.
Stop paying them, see if you really own the land.

 

I'd be all for it if the nonvolunteers were not allowed any government services. At some point, you may be able to find other nonvolunteers and trade goods and services, much like the Amish do.

 

Asked and answered.

No civilization has yet existed where there were no required contributions, taxes, from the members.

I'd be interested if you could falsify that statement.

 

How about YOU leave and take those other communist/socialist and others who don't believe in ownership go with you, and we will see what kind of nation we have with voluntary taxation.

 

You did so for a portion of your wages when you got your SS #.
You did so, when you agreed to purchase any property.
Everytime you enter into an agreement with taxes involved and you do so freely, you consent to the taxes.

 

Indians, because the white man gave them their own sovereign nation when we stole the land they had. As a treaty agreement.
Amish, not sure, some religious agreement? Or agreement not to use certain services?
I know farmers can claim land as farm land, at least in my state and pay near 0 in taxes.

 

Who defines your property rights? What law or force enforces your contract?

 

No, I was coerced under threat that either the fruits of my labor would be confiscated or the state would violently prohibit a contract agreement between two free people

 

You were coerced into the purchase? Nope, you were not. You agreed to all terms when buying the property. Note the word, ALL.

 

The Axiom of Self Ownership.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Once you understand that all valid rights spring from this concept, then we will examine second.

 

Read what I said. I did not say that.

 

Don’t go all libertarianbabble on me. Answer the question. How is your ownership of the land recognized, protected and enforced?

 

I understand the Indian thing.

With a certain amount of acreage and some form of agricultural income, you can get an Ag exemption here. My main complaint is that once you pay for land and have the deed, nobody should be able to take your property. You are never really allowed to OWN your home. Sales tax is the most fair tax in my opinion. Exempting groceries and medicine would help the poor because a larger portion of their income goes to these. A balanced budget amendment is needed to limit government waste.

 

The question was "Who defines your property rights?". It isn't a "who" it is a "what". It is The Axiom of Self Ownership. It is the origin of all valid rights.

Do you want a more detailed explanation of this axiom? Do you know what an axiom is?

 

Yes, I know what an axiom is. That isn't my question.

For the sake of argument, I will stipulate that the Axiom of Self Ownership is a valid source for your assertion of property rights.

Now, answer my question. In the real world, how is that right realized? Who recognizes it? Who enforces it when people refuse to recognize it?

 

I pay my taxes voluntarily and support the Constitution and America's fundamental values. YOU are the one who is dissatisfied with ALL aspects of the government, so it would be silly to change everything for your benefit only. . . . Patriots are willing to GIVE as much as they take.

 

I think the answer is clearly yes.

But theft can sometimes be justified. If you're facing starvation it's still wrong to steal, but it's understandable.

 

We set the precedent in 1776 that taxation without representation is theft. The inference being that taxation with representation is not.

Now try and convince me that all the taxes I pay were legitimately passed into law in a manner representative of The Peoples will... gl.

 

Would you explain THAT to the illegals? They don't seem to understand it.

 

I believe that textation is theft. First people demanding money from you and if you don't give it to them they come to your house and take it and if there is nothing to take they put you in a cage.

If any other entity did that it would be theft so I think it's theft

 

incorrect because I don't want welfare I don't want housing projects there's lots of services I don't want to pay for and I don't get that choice if I don't pay for them the government will come and take things away from me and maybe even put me in a cage.

most people that live here did not choose to live here they were born here.

so okay if I where your neighbor and I said in order to live in your house you have to pay me $1,000 a month or I'll come in and shoot you, you could just move so that wouldn't be theft or any wrongdoing on my part.

 

It highly depend of the government. No even if you don't have the choice, if you get a minimum back (police, school, justice as imperfect all of this is), it isn't theft, because you get something back. The idea of a duty isn't very popular those last days. Freedoom get with responsibilities, for instance people who drink and drive tend to get forbidden to drive, because they showed they weren't responsible.
You can except a country to last on the long term without some duties.

 

this is true though it's still theft.

There are lots of things you give up to live in a society that doesn't mean they aren't what they are.

 

I think they can be, depending on what they are spent on.

 

When taxes are fair (which isn't really practical as fair is different for everyone), then whomever doesn't pay their taxes is actually the one committing theft. They are stealing from themselves and the society in which they live, or in other words they are freeloading. When the government uses your taxes for themselves and not what was agreed upon democratically, it is true, that is also theft. However, taxation by itself cannot be labeled theft. It has to have context first.

Property taxes on homesteads, however is imo unjust taxation. If somehow you owned a homestead and somehow did not participate in society (no external trade) then and only then would I agree forced taxation was theft.