Are forced taxes theft.

False. Theft is when your property is taken from you. When fairly taxed, that money/property is not yours to keep, and so cannot be considered theft. You are obligated to pay it for services rendered. It becomes a contract, a business contract if you will. Either way, by living in that society you are benefiting in some way from the commons and if you don't pay taxes, you ARE freeloading. If you don't pay you are the one committing the theft, by stealing from the ones who did pay. The phrase "forced" taxation is redundant. Of course the person/society you are stealing from has the right to stop you from robbing their commons.

Agreed though a lot of our taxes ARE unjust. That is theft, but once again taxation including forced taxation by itself is NOT theft. Saying it is IS ridiculous.

 

so if I were to steal $5,000 from you that wouldn't be theft?

first what is fairly taxed I think fairly text is not taxed at all.

And if the government takes money from you it is taking money from you and that is theft. It even fits your definition of theft.

I would absolutely be 100% for this form of Taxation. If I need a service I pay the government for it and it is rendered but that's not how it works they take your money and don't render services.

no it isn't it's a demand do you pay this or we will put you in a cage. Contracts are voluntary taxation is mandatory.

I would be okay with taxation if it's strictly benefited the commons but it doesn't.

boy you've been propagandized haven't you.

You know if I earn the money I'm the one earning the money it's my sweat my labor that makes it and people with guns coming to my house and saying you pay this or will put you in a cage that's theft. I'm not stealing my own labor from you it's not your labor.

yeah we already have a word for it theft

okay again the money stolen from me was created by my labor it doesn't belong to anyone else it is simply stolen on behalf of everyone else. They didn't labor for it they stole my labor.

even by your definition of theft it is theft. It most certainly is people taking my property or money. Just because their government officials doesn't change that.

I would say that sales tax is not theft because that's something you choose to pay.

 

Democrats say no.

 

A major issue with that logic is that it would mean arrest and imprisonment would be kidnapping. If you want the freedom not to be taxed, you’d have to accept that criminals who don’t consent to their punishments would have to be unconditionally released.

 

Shows what you know about court history and your willingness to believe evil on the basis of nothing but air. There are a very limited number of cases in which City hall used eminent domain to force the sale of property to cronies for the enriching of private entities to enhance their tax base. Conservatives voted against all of them.

 

The Case in point is Kelo vs New London. REad the wiki entry talk about your alliances of Strange bedfellows this case had it in spades, to say nothing of the other three suits.

 

It is not theft, because you volunteer to pay taxes.

Isnt failure to pay rent theft?

If you can occupy, and defend it from foreign invasion, then yes.

The foreign invader in your case would be the United states government, after you claimed to occupy a section of their territory, from someone you thought owned it.

 

It is not theft at all. It is extortion, obtaining money with menaces.

 

I don’t see the Amish defending their land. We do it for them. Do they pay property taxes?

 

Actually...they do defend their land. I'm pretty sure every generation some elected official tries to take their land. Same thing with the Indians.

 

If we lived in a democracy this would be true but we live in a republic......

 

Not when you consider the individual. I bet most folks are ok with others being taxed but not themselves. That is the socialist mindset.

 

They don’t defend themselves in the street. How do they defend their land?

 

I have no idea...but they still got it.

 

Wow, some people can justify anything. Taxes are theft. I would find you statement blaming the rape victim for wearing provocative clothing.

To use this convoluted logic, then the homeless are committing theft, so are the welfare and SS recipients. They are stealing from the rest of us that the government has initiated and takes by force. I say SS too, because there is no trust fund, it is a ponzi schema and it is funded just like welfare, out of current taxes.

 

Theft is not a rule that you agreed on. Rape is not a rule you agreed to..

You agreed to pay taxes once you learned about the Constitution.

That is tantamount to claiming your landlord is stealing from you every month they give you a bill...The complex was there before you..and no one forced you to stay.

 

So if the kings soldier rape your wife, you don't fight back, you just move away?? Your logic, not mine.
But the bottom line, IS TAXATION THEFT. Yes it is. The first thing you do when you have an addiction, like Washington to my money, is admit you have a problem, as tell it is what it is! It IS theft.
And the land lord example is exactly what is wrong with this country today. The government is NOT the land lord, we as individual are our own land lord. What we need is a totally voluntary tax systems. If you are one of 330 million people, you are at the point of taxation without real representation. Your vote and voice means NOTHING. So we are back to the start of the revolution that has taken place here and other countries like France. Let them eat cake.

 

Simply living in a particular location doesn't mean that one has consented to have other people forcibly take their money.

 

So living in a bad neighborhood justifies raping of women by the occupants of that neighborhood, and the police can/will not do nothing.

 

You on rocks?? I wouldn't be in a place like that in the first place.

And if I was, Iv typed at least 3 times already, Occupy a Territory and defend it...Scotland did.

 

Their arguments essentially boil down to, 'You can't stop us, so we're right.' Makes no logical sense.

 

We’re talking about taxes in a democracy, not a monarchy, so your argument fails in the first line.

 

So here's how it works. You tell me which part you disagree with.

The people living in an area band together and form a democracy. They set up rules to govern the area, and assess taxes on themselves to pay for running the government and providing necessary services.

Anybody moving into that area consents to be governed by those rules and pay those taxes, by virtue of deciding to move into the area.

Anybody born into that area later is also necessarily governed by those rules and pays those taxes, until they choose not to by moving out of that area's jurisidiction.

I'm just going to guess that your problem lies with the very first step, wherein you question the validity of a group exerting control over a geographic area.

But please, tell me which step you disagree with and why.

 

Yep. First step. No person has a right to exert control over any geographic area that isn't his own private property.

 

Great. So you've just destroyed any way to have a functioning society on a level higher than a small village.

This is why people don't take libertarians seriously. Your philosophy is completely unworkable and self-defeating.