Army officer sues Virginia police over violent traffic stop

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  1. Hotdogr

    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is the official press release on the town's website...

    https://www.windsor-va.gov/news/art...ss-release-on-police-stop-of-december-5,-2020
     
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    DivineComedy Well-Known Member

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    Camo child was in serious danger, thanks to "liberals" who wanted him murdered by a scared for his life twitchy cop.
     
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    I don't know how this is possible, but you are making even less sense now.

    The police had nothing to arrest him for. Nothing. What about that don't you understand? Police can't just arrest people because they suddenly got a hankering to. They need an actual reason to make an arrest. A real one. Not this paranoid garbage about "Well I'm going to arrest you because my overactive imagination made me start thinking that you could be a suicide bomber." Maybe tell officers like this to stop acting like violent thugs and stop pandering to the them for their crimes.

    By the way, the officer knew he ****ed up by the time it was all over. That's why he lied about the LT striking him.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Serious question: are you just using a random word generator or something?
     
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    :roflol: Really? :roflol::bored:

    Nobody wants anybody "murdered".
    Least of all "Liberals"

    You may want to consider saving that sort of hyperbole for the Humor Section.
    ^Nothing personal, just a friendly suggestion.

    Anyway, back on-topic to the fired officer Gutierrez, his firing was a good first step.

    Hopefully, he faces some serious criminal charges.
     
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  6. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    You're right I am making assumptions based on the evidence I have at hand from the report and the video. I saw zero aggressiveness, rudeness, or threatening behavior exhibited from LT. Nazario during this exchange. I saw all of that from the cops during this exchange. I don't know the demeanor of the cops when they first approached the vehicle but I know the demeanor of them during the video and based on the report and the video the cops were asked why they pulled him over multiple times and they refused to answer.

    As far as them not knowing what they are dealing with? Sure, but when in a profession where you're interacting with the public on a daily basis you can tend to gauge the "hostility" of a situation based on the demeanor of the person you're interacting with. Is it foolproof? Of course not, and you shouldn't always judge a book by it's cover, but there is a logical aspect that comes with that as well. And on the "level of potential risk" scale a polite and calm demeaner having military Officer in uniform during a routine traffic stop for tags is probably ranked somewhere near the bottom.

    At ANY point during this exchange the entire situation could have been diffused by them simply answering the man's question that he asked dozens of times. Police are also supposed to be trained to diffuse a situation, how do you diffuse a situation like this? Answer the man's question, that's all he was asking. By refusing to answer him they made him uncomfortable and scared and hesitant to comply because that's OUT OF CHARACTER for respectable cops, ESPECIALLY when dealing with the military.

    Is this what I would have done? Not sure I can't say what I would have done in a situation while sitting in the comfort of my home. But if I were in my uniform as a military Officer myself and pulled over by the cops I would also be asking them why and yes I would expect them to tell me. One because I would expect them to tell anybody, and two I would especially except them to tell me as a military Officer in my uniform as a sign of the mutual respect that we have for each others professions. I'm a Soldier and a combat veteran, an actual combat arms veteran of multiple wars. I'm on guard around everybody that I don't know gauging the level of potential risk to my safety I believe they are. It's sort of comes with the profession unfortunately and it's part of the rewired brain characteristics that you take home with you from war. But certain people I see I automatically let my guard down because my brain paints you as "friend" by default. Random person in the store? "Unknown/Caution". Fellow Soldier in uniform in the store? "Friend". Law Enforcement Officer? "Friend".

    I've been pulled over by the cops before both in and out of my uniform and I'm never worried about it because the cops are "friends". I'm accustomed to the courteous treatment and respectfulness that they've always shown me and that they tend to show military folks. If I ask whats going on I'm always told and there is no tension. I know what they go through, they tend to know what we go through, that's why we have that special relationship between our two professions. However, this is how this would be playing out in my brain if this scenario happened to me.

    Cop: "Step out of the car please"
    Me: "Hello Sir whats going on" (Friend)
    Cop: "Step out of the car"
    Why is he not answering me...(Caution)
    Me: "Whats going on?"
    Cop: "STEP OUT OF THE CAR NOW!"
    This isn't normal the cops (friend) don't act like this...(DANGER/HOSTILE THREAT)

    That would absolutely make me uncomfortable real fast and I would go from calm to "you are a threat to me" immediately. I would be very hesitant to listen to you because I now have no idea what your intentions are.
     
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    You're wrong, @yardmeat. The guy was clearly "evading" the police. Also, did you bother to notice how he didn't open his eyes after he was pepper-sprayed. He *must* have been drunk and/or high since he couldn't open his eyes completely. Oh, and he stepped out with his right foot first and everybody *knows* it's supposed to be left foot first.

    /sarcasm
     
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    I was thread banned once for mentioning the cops were "protecting and serving themselves," by pointing guns that way, by a police woman's wife and moderator for telling her husband moderator on Debate Politics about an incident where someone was shot through the patio door by a police officer who mistook the coffee cup for a gun in East Point Georgia, and suggested that if there was a wife in the upstairs bedroom she should have shot the officer in the head and asked questions later. The police officer moderator there was saying they had to have that extra spit second to respond, I argued against it. I may be against guns drawn in such a fashion, but to save lives the child Officer and Gentleman should not have resisted arrest, should not win the case, and nobody should assume the officers perceive them as innocent.
     
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    There. Was. Nothing. To. Arrest. Him. For.
     
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    DivineComedy Well-Known Member

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    Keep pandering to those that refuse the orders of potentially twitchy cops, it looks like you want them to die.
     
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    Sad that it took the video going viral for it to happen
     
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  12. DivineComedy

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    100% irrelevant to the matter. Camo man got what the got because of what he did.
     
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    If you are going to use phrases like "resisting arrest," then the topic of arrest is relevant. "Camo man" got what he got because an unhinged thug violated his rights. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
     
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    another fan of Comply or Die I see.

    You guys are living in the wrong country.
     
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  15. truth and justice

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    Yet that police officer told the "suspect" to keep his hands outside the window at the same time he told the "suspect" to get out of the car which is not possible. He then later told the "suspect" to (reach) for the seat belt release button meaning the "suspect's" right hand is no longer in view. Many "suspects" have been shot and killed while following that officer's orders

    And this was just a standard "police stop" as reported in by the officer to control
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whenever a policeman decides to order you out of your car and puts his hands on you or rummage through your personal property, he has already escalated a minor infraction to a dangerous level for both the victim and the policeman.

    My point is that throughout today’s America, policemen are trained and encouraged to get their noses into as many cars and trunks as possible. This is a result of the war on drugs and these outrageous, Un American asset forfeiture laws.

    Many departments and agencies depend on money and other valuables stolen from citizens who have not even been charged, much less convicted of ANY CRIME. I do not think it is a matter of intelligence regarding the officers but a matter of training and encouragement to violate citizens rights at every turn in order to steal money and enhance funding for their department and drive u crime statistics in order to get further public funding. My late father taught me a valuable lesson when I was a young kid. He said:

    “Keep your hands off of other people and keep your hands off of other people’s stuff. If you will do that, you will never get in any real trouble.”

    Obviously Detectives and tactical police units often have just cause to get physical with violent suspects and with proper warrants signed by an actual judge to inspect and search homes cars etc. However patrol officers assigned to traffic and highway safety should be discouraged from escalating minor stops into criminal investigations routinely thus creating danger to the public and the officers.
     
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    I was charged with resisting arrest once, and assaulting a police officer, I got off 100% because there were witnesses (a Doctor and his wife) that said the officer kicked my legs out from under me from behind while I was standing there with my hands up, and my elbows had bone spurs fully consistent with how it happened.

    Camo man was ordered to put his hands up, so did he have to do that? If he did, what possible argument do you have that he didn't have to get out of the car too? If he did not have to put his hands up, and your kind make that legal, you just killed an officer somewhere.
     
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    Please provide a video demonstrating how to get out of a car while you hands are up and out of the window.
     
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    So disobeying works better?
     
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    My argument that he didn't have to get out of the car is that he, legally did not have to get out of the car. There was nothing to arrest him for. No, believing that legal rights should remain legal rights doesn't mean I killed an officer. Why would you insist on making up **** like that?
     
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    I only ride motorcycles, so ask something possible.
     
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    Well it did in this case because the "suspect" survived disobeying the contradictory orders of the officer unlike Castile and Shaver
     
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    Maybe the cop should have asked something possible.

    Just a thought
     
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    And he will win a lottery ticket, but could have died.
     

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