Ashkenazi Jews from 350 people, maybe Khazars?

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  1. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    all very nice traditions but would that mixing really account for how jewish people became almost entirely european? i dont believe so. if Israel became 90% hebrew israelite, would you still serve Israel?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and wtf is a "hebrew israelite"??

    you mean the black fools wearing the funny clothes, who say white people are descended from albinos and folks with lepracy?

    lol!!!!
     
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    is this an attempt at boasting against the branches?
    you do know Obamas Rabbi is a hebrew israelite right?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lol!!!! wtf are you getting at?

    Obama is a Christian, not a Jew. He has no Rabbi.

    and what the hell is a Hebrew Israelite? you must mean a Jew.

    the only "Hebrew Israelite" are the black morons on the street corners dressed like cartoon characters, selling incense and making rude comments.
     
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    there has been numerous example of racism towards blacks by jewish europeans, does this mean all jewish ppl are racist?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what about hatred many blacks have towards white Jews?

    yes, that is racism and anti-Jew bigotry.
     
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    thats due to jewish people enslaving blacks for 400 years so they could steal the legacy.

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    The article in the Jewish Journal is titled “How culpable were Dutch Jews in the slave trade?” and says that Rabbi Van de Kamp criticized the Zwarte Piet tradition on Republiek Allochtonie, a black news-and-opinion website based in the Netherlands.
    On that site, Rabbi Van der Kamp wrote that the “portrayal of ‘Peter the slave’ dates back to a period when we as citizens did not meet the social criteria that bind us today.
    “Speaking out against Black Pete is part of my social mission, an effort that extends to reminding Dutch Jews of their ancestors’ deep involvement in the slave trade,” the article continued.
     
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    Martin, in one of his endorsements, made a startling assertion concerning slave ownership by Jews: "Using the research of Jewish historians, the book suggests that based on the 1830 census, Jews actually had a higher per capita slave ownership than for the white population as a whole. - Prof tony martin

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    probably because jewish people were allied with europeans during the slave raids in w. africa.
     
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    interesting. many jewish people have a bigoted view of blacks, judas p benjamin- Benjamin's view that slavery should continue was based in his belief that citizens had a right to their property as guaranteed by the Constitution

    morris raphall- In the civil-war era, prominent Jewish religious leaders in the United States engaged in public debates about slavery.[2] Generally, rabbis from the Southern states supported slavery, and those from the North opposed slavery.[3] The most notable debate[4] was between rabbi Raphall, who endorsed slavery, and rabbi David Einhorn who opposed it.[5]

    In 1861, Raphall published his views that slavery in a treatise called "The Bible View of Slavery", which argued that slavery is allowed by the Bible.[6] He wrote, "I am no friend to slavery in the abstract, and still less friendly to the practical working of slavery, But I stand here as a teacher in Israel; not to place before you my own feelings and opinions, but to propound to you the word of G-d, the Bible view of slavery."[7] Rabbi Einhorn and rabbi Michael Heilprin, concerned that Raphall's position would be seen as the official policy of American Judaism, vigorously disputed his arguments, and argued that slavery - as practiced in the South - was immoral and not endorsed by Judaism.[8]



    im seeing patterns here on this very board. the usurper always tries to belittle the victim. check out colonial records of "black inferiority". wicked demons and people think the devil is a lie, no. the devil is a LIAR.
     
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    ok, back to the OP.

    I think the research into only 350 Jews from Europe was a very poor sample.

    but clearly, based on larger samples, we know that most European Jews have Middle East and European genetics.

    which make sense, considering the oral history, traditions, and history of the movements of Jews around the Roman Empire.
     
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    128 Jews? kind of absurd.

    10,000 Jews from all over Europe would have made more sense.
     
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    So you are interested in genetics, read Ronstar posts he mentioned it, according to it the European appearance comes from a European parent, the other parent is still Judean, according to Bible laws the child can still be regarded as Judean if they follow the tradition and be as Judean as those who mixed during ancient times, I see no difference,

    The problem is your fix on the "divine" creatures you think the Israelites were, so "purity" is important to you. there is no such indication in the Bible thou , all this perfect-pure-son of God is a Christian thing, Jews never followed that line, we are all dust created by the Father.
     
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    ive already told him that his genetics dont prove what he thinks it does, he knows it and so do you.
     
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    the genetic study may not prove descent from the Khazars, but it does prove descent from the Middle East and Europe.

    which follows the oral history.
     
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    I know genetics never played a role to the nation but you are looking for a bloodline.....
     
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    a bloodline as in related by blood, be that covered in it or bonded by it.

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    maybe so but the conclusion isnt what you are attempting to represent. MOD EDIT - Rule 3
     
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    some israelites may have gone to rome but that in no way proves there is a lineal descent of ashkenaz to these Israelites. Israelites went into africa, does this mean all those who study the bible in africa are Israelites too? or is it just the white ones in europe?
     
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    the Ethiopian Jews have the J1 gene, which many Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews also have.

    this may prove Israelite descent.

    the genetic research i posted suggests patrilineal descent from ancient Jews.
     
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    israelites spread out all over africa from the west to the south. does this mean all africans who study the torah are israelites?
     
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    all africans that claim descent from the Jews and have the J1 gene, may be descended from Israelits.

    same with Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.
     
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    non of the west africans have the j1 and this is where Israel went, which could mean that the j1 is not Israelite but jewish(european) this would explain why the ethiopian hebrews cluster more closely with fellow africans and not with jewish people from europe. this would mean that the jewish "gene" you like to promote may not be related to Israelites but to a small group of euro-asians, turks maybe, or even khazars.
     
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    many African black Jews and those who claim to be descendants of the Jews, have J1.

    this includes the Lemba, the Ethiopian Jews, and even some Igbo in Nigeria.

    so your information is false.
     

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