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You don't really feel what you just stated is a logical argument, do you?

In a discussion of spiritual vs physical, the semantic difference between metaphor and reality, in this context, is not necessarily a distinct one.

 

That's not the original question, which is the evolutionary nature of religion. That would be a sufficient explanation without need for any divine intervention.

 

Yes I can.

Because you were caught special pleading. You have no leg to stand on. And editing out portions of my post makes you look like a coward.

There is absolutely no difference if your god kills an innocent, or if a human does. If you insist there is, you are guilty of special pleading.

 

I asked you a question, which you offered to answer in the OP.......

 

Your question was based off a semantic argument, based on the context.

That's why it's not worth explaining to you.

Return to your original question and think about it a little bit, and it should become obvious.

 

First of all, not necessarily. The evolutionary nature of religion theory might only explain part of religion (or even most of it, but without a critical part).
Second, even if it can completely explain religion (which is highly speculative), it does not preclude a spiritual reason behind it all (i.e. causing the cause).

 

Okay, I must have crossed a line.

 

Now that is a different argument. You are now claiming that God kills an innocent person. How do we know that to be actually true?

First, if there is a God, isn't it fair to say that physical death might not be tantamount to causing actual death, from his perspective?

Second, are we really so sure the victims were truly innocent and did not actually deserve it?

Third, does the one who originally gave life, and is omniscient and wise, perhaps have the right to take life?

 

That's not the deal; you're supposed to answer the question. I don't know why you're becoming evasive.

 

Why don't you rephrase the question again.

My trouble was that in this context, "reality" and "metaphor" did not have clearly defined or distinct meanings, since we are discussing spiritual things.
So if you try to "catch" me in an inconsistency, it becomes just an issue of semantics, not actual meaning behind the words.

 

You're shifting your god further and further back, now it's not the cause - as stated in the religious texts - but some cause of the cause. It will probably disappear altogether soon. At least we know the texts are metaphors rather than real.

 

It's reality in so far as if you believe spiritual and heavenly things are reality.
Thus it's reality to Christians, but may be metaphor to you.

I think I've wrapped up your question now.​

 

It does for me, and if there is something that requires simple faith I research it to remove that problem. Scientific proof is not logic (obviously) but is often used to come to a logical conclusion.

 

I don't want to rephrase my question, I want you to answer it.

Any time someone dives into definitions you know they're in trouble.

 

It's not so unusual. There are some Christians who believe in evolution, but believe God was the ultimate cause, so intentionally created all the details of everything through evolution.

 

I believe I just did in post #87.

 

What crime or offense did an unborn child that god kills in the womb commit?

No. Physical death is death.

What crime or offense did an unborn child that god kills in the womb commit?

No

 

You have indeed. Reality is metaphor and metaphor is reality. And black is white, too..............

 

This thread is a waste of time.

 

That's a good question. It may possibly be that there is a form of reincarnation that exists for unborn children who did not survive to birth (we don't know). Or it may be that that individual was not destined to live out an actual full life. There may be many spirits in heaven who never were actually born on Earth.

Just a speculative thought, but maybe even those who perform abortions are doomed to continually be reincarnated in suffer abortion after abortion in their own little hell. That could be a potential explanation where those spirits come from and where they go.

 

Maybe it's only your arguments.

You didn't seem to really think them through, attempting to arrive at a cheap "gotcha".

 

None of this rambling nonsense is an answer to my question, or a rebuttal to my refutation of your claim.

 

Your argument is that a good God can't exist because he allows fetuses and babies to die in the womb of natural causes, correct?

 

That's definitely not true in the Christian belief.

 

No. My argument that your claim of god killing an innocent is different than a human doing it is special pleading.

 

Having no relevance to reality. Physical death, is death.