Ask your difficult questions about religion here

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  1. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Which means God is ok with having problems with humans, just like he's allowing sickness and death and abortions.
     
  2. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you automatically assume that because it exists God is ok with it?

    Yes, his stamp of approval to allow it to happen is on it, but that doesn't mean "he is ok with it".
    Two different things.
     
  3. Daniel Light

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    All powerful God. Either He is not all powerful, or he accepts things as they are. He made them after all. So, He's ok with it. It's His design. If He wasn't ok with it, he would have designed it differently.
     
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    Because the one they're taught to believe in becomes a substitute for the Real Deal.
    Because all godS are false. You're welcome.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are additional possibilities.

    You're haphazardly using flawed logic and then presuming your logic is obvious.
     
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  6. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why is Jesus called son of man, son of god? I thought sons of god were angels. He isn't the son of a man. He is the son of a woman.

    Also, when the bible says he will hurt your heel and you will hurt his head, what is it talking about? When is it that Michael will battle? Lots of questions and I don't know the answers. I think I might, but I really don't have any confirmation.
     
  7. Dissily Mordentroge

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    If God did that he’d also have to remove himself.
     
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    You will get a hard time and a lot of grief from this thread. I want to say I appreciate this and will honor it. Now this is not a 'difficult question' per se, and I think it may surprise you. Why do the religious seem to take the topic so very seriously and soberly all the time? Presumably God played a role in gifting our species with a sense of humor, so that we can laugh at ourselves, and kid each other, yet I get the impression that humor, and wit about religion or the devout and among the religious and devout, is just not seen as having a positive and healing value. By some it seems more in the order of blasphemous.

    Now I do recognize that often humor is meant to belittle, to cut and divide people, and that is not the kind of humor that I am talking about here. It can also be gentle, it can be self deprecating and yes it can put a mirror in front of us. If there is a God out there, I can't help think he likes a good laugh, even at His expense or that of his clerics occasionally. If we take God so very seriously all the time, we probably won't stop there, we will take ourselves very seriously too, and that is a mistake.
     
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  9. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do I seem that way? I'm pretty lighthearted and easy going about it all, and won't hesitate to make a joke.

    But yes, there is some truth to what you are saying.

    Perhaps those who are religious have an inherent reaction to prevent the sacred from being profaned. Part of that is the result of these atheists who intentionally give them a hard time.

    Some religions like Islam take it WAY too far. It's one thing to get overly defensive, it's another to get into a murderous rage and think you have the right and obligation to kill the blasphemer.
     
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  10. Daniel Light

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    And it's rather cowardly to edit someone else's post as you have just done.
     
  11. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another good, and somewhat difficult question.

    It's clear from the scriptures he has a special unique position with God.

    So of course many people can become sons of God, but he is a son of God in a much more unique way, in multiple ways. One of the more physical reasons is that he did not have a human father (the virgin birth).

    "Son of man" is a more interesting title. One of the likely reasons for it may come from a reference in the seventh chapter of Daniel.
    The "son of man" is similar yet a more humble title than "son of God", and also because he came to give his life to save many.
    "Son of man" doesn't merely mean he is the human son of a human woman; it also means he is "the son of God, who's role for existence has to do with man".
    (man = humans, obviously)
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is correct that omnipotence does not automatically imply morality.
    I have no idea what you are trying to get at by that observation though.
     
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    I think this other thread may be able to answer the question better than I can here:
    a lot of the misunderstandings about Christianity come from a lack of wisdom about human nature

    If human nature is inherently sinful, and if a righteous God exists, then there is a fundamental problem.
    It would not be right (nor good) for God to just stand idly by forever, standing back and doing nothing.

    (Note to all the unruly atheists out there, I said forever )

    If God exists (as the conception exists in Judeo-Christian belief), then an atheist society would both eventually devolve into depravity and/or become its own little hell, or God himself would bring down punishment because that society committed moral wrongs.

    (These moral wrongs are absolute moral wrongs, not just "because God said so")

    It is of course also theoretically possible for an atheist society to escape these problems, just as it is possible for a religious society to suffer them.
    Thus religion from a purely physical perspective could be seen as only being "useful" where it helps people have more righteous conduct.
     
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  14. Dissily Mordentroge

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    Yes, the fundamental problem is God, according to most traditional theology knowingly unleashed human nature or do you want to blame that one on Satan too? The tired old argument from possession of the Devil does indeed provide comfort to those who find themselves guilty of breaking religious prohibitions. Take for example the young teenage male/female who finds himself/herself romantically attracted to others of their own gender. It’s a lot easier to cope with the idea of Satan turning you in that direction than admitting you're discovering what your creator made you. Many such troubled individuals are subjected to ‘cure through prayer’ and other quackeries. When not ‘cured’ they too often end up blaming themselves for being unable to cast Satan from their souls. Far too many then go on to commit suicide but hey ‘Christians’ running these ‘cure’ by prayer movements can blame Satan for that too. So easy.
     
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    The delusion that the Christian God is an ‘all loving God’.
     
  16. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    Killing the blasphemer is biblical.

    When those hundred pound hailstones start falling on people the entire world will curse God with every curse word known to man and some new ones invented just for the occasion.
     
  17. Dissily Mordentroge

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    As is to often the case, too many of you underestimate the random cruelty of the universe.
     
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    Why do people complain about false prophets while speaking as a prophet (interpreting God) the whole time?

    In other words, what makes your answers more accurate than anyone elses?
     
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    How does one prove one’s accuracy when ‘interpreting God’?
     
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    They cannot...they offer opinion, yet some claim it as fact.
     
  22. Dissily Mordentroge

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    And some of us claim the very idea of ‘intepreting God’ is meaningless.
     
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    Thus my questions for the prophet.
     
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    Why do some Christians celebrate a mass and some do not?
     

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