Atheist Shocked by Who He Meets in Heaven | NDE

You are projecting - you just do not realize it.

"If you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right! - Henry Ford"

 

OH .. and I forgot to tell you - If you wish to be a Monkey - Bird - Fish .. or Sexy Alien from the Planet Zatox - on your next vacation... no problem ..There are millions of "reality" TV shows you can watch .. so you can see what is going on in the millions of planets / possible vacation destinations.

Aye .. but that brings us to one of the other rules .. While on vacation ..you will not remember your past life

 

I was recently involved in a study of a book :"Imagine Heaven" by Don Burke. It is a compilation of thousands of NDE's from around the world and of different "organized religions". Blind people that come back and describe color that they have never seen before. Every experience is quite similar but to various degrees. A few have even experienced something not so nice. They have a "great awakening" and are given a new chance. I know the OP sort of diminishes "organized religion" and I get it. But one must consider, do some of them have the precepts that are actually given to us by God? Can we worship Him corporately without embracing only the precepts and traditions of man? This video repeats some of the things we read about in this book. It is a common thread. Jesus said, "In my father's house are many mansions. I go now to prepare a place for you. If it were not so, I would have told you!"

IMHO most atheists struggle with the idea of accountability to anything outside themselves. Near death is an eye opener!

 

I think you need to examine the book "Imagine Heaven" by Don Burke. In it contains some of the most "empirical evidence you'll find. I know how one persons viewpoint might make you skeptical, but people from every persuasion and faith bring about a common experience. It's too much to begin going into detail here, but it is an eye opener even to those who "believe" already!

 

Most of us here at PF know what you are all about. When it's over it's over and you can stew in your own juices. Others look at the immensity of Creation and know there is something greater than themselves. Let them be.

 

What is it that I am about .. that "Must of us Know" lol .. what a joke of an opening - desperate to demonize the messenger by Ad Hom fallacy combined with appeal to the raging masses.

So tell me what it is that I am about .. cause you sure got the "Others" part wrong ... as indeed I do believe in God .. I just don't go around pretending to know what God thinks .. like so many of these "Others" do .. and that is when I step in .. and will not let them be.

Get it .. Got it .. Gooooooood

 

Existential gibberish - You can spend and spend - because you believe you are a millionaire .. but one day - reality will set in - and you will realize that you never were a millionaire -- cause you only spend a few thousand and are broke like sht. !!

 

You have no idea what God is about because you do not seek Him. Instead you rail and belittle anyone who does. That is what my opening is all about. Your sarcastic rants of a belittling nature deserve retaliation and you got it. Layoff.

 

So I CAN be an Orangutan? Ok, sign me up.

 

I admire your fortitude, sir.

 

Welcome to the other side of the stick that Christians have been shaking at heathens for centuries.

Yes, sometimes atheists will belittle, look down on, and even mock believers.

Are we going to pretend the reverse doesn't happen as well?

And are we going to pretend that looking down on and holding outright hostility for atheists isn't held by a lot of Christians as dogma? Is it not true that a lot of Christians believe that non-Christians deserve to burn in hell after they die? Should such people not be held with some disdain in return?

I do often remind myself that there are also some Christians who don't hold such views and push such ideas.

 

RE:Atheist Shocked by Who He Meets in Heaven | NDE
SUBTOPIC: The Spirit Molecule
※→ Jolly Penguin, et al,

BLUF: We simply do not know what a Near Death Experience is! Similarly, we do not know what an out-of-body experience is!
There is virtually no argument on the question that there were experiences. And the experiences have similar elements and components the separate events. Science is given some thought to the "Spirit Molecule" (AKA: DMT – N,N-dimethyltryptamine). (See Rick Strassman, MD)

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Well, neither side of this equation (Atheists <> Believers) is balanced. Neither side can make a superior claim over the other. Nor should they. This is generally a difference on a different plane. The most easily recognized example is the proven concepts of Relativity 'vs' Quantum Mechanics. Both have passed muster in the Scientific Method many, many times. Yet they don't seem to link together.

In the case of the Atheists 'vs' Believers the Atheists have not found common ground with the Believers.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

We have mutual admiration.

 

What a load of nonsense .. 1) Of course I seek God 2) Many that seek God have no idea what God is about . so your claim that Seeking God will give you some idea what God is about is demonstrably false.

I don't belittle everyone who seeks God .. I already told you what I belittle .. Folks who think they know "defacto" what God is about .. folks such as yourself

 

Now that you mention it, it's the same at my Church! The beauty of Heaven and the Promise of "Life" (with a capital "L") is so much more in comparison to life without God, that hell is hardly worthy of mentioning. It's there I'm sure, but not my focus!

 

Can be what ever you like on one's vacation - its "Heaven" mate .. can do what you like -go where one wishes .. any planet - any galaxy . Wouldn't really be heaven if one could not do what one whished now would it !?

. but, while on that vacation - you will have no memory of your past life .. sans perhaps a few glimpses which you will not be able to make much sense of.

be warned however, don't speek too freely about the vacation theory to the uninitiated . as some will take offense

 

Sure you do. How can you believe in anything you know nothing about? We know things by faith. You mock our faith. You mock faith in general. God chose faith because it is a genuine will of the heart. It is impossible to please Him without it. Faith begins by acknowledging His presence and what He has accomplished. We understand Jesus told us how to know what is Truth. You mock that as well. You never describe your "own" brand of truth. It is cowardly. Instead, you mock others who share.

 

I have watched several videos of the NDE group saying he was first in hell and got out.

 

The book I shared about, Robert, has examples of the same. I was impressed by people born blind, coming back and doing there very best to describe the sensation of color and what they "saw"! Or the Hindu that describes something that is no way close to what his religion had taught him, or a man who had a low flight experience after departing his body and seeing parts of the city he had never seen before only to recall it later when seeing it in this life!

 

I consider that an honor.

 

Where offence is taken it is due to the mockery and satire you present above. Another tack you might take is "describe what your lifes purpose and vision is in relation to the god you say you believe in". Others may not join you....but you might earn a degree of respect!

 

I don't mock all faith .. just the irrational and illogical one's - one's that seek to use destrictive mind control techniques - and so on.

I do appreciate you stating how you feel - shows that you care .. and take things seriously -- but, this doesn't make you right .. nor does it make you a seeker of the Truth .. nor does it give you any understanding of "The Truth"

"Jesus told us how to know what is Truth" ?? No he didn't .. Jesus tells us that his words are the Truth - tells us what the Truth is .. and Jesus is the embodiment of Truth.

I describe my own brand of Truth on request .. and sometimes even when no requested. You just can't handle "The Truth" and run from it.

My "Seeking of the Truth" has been far more extensive than yours .. and I am still seeking.. Fundamentalists on the other hand think they have found the Truth .. even though that "Truth" contradicts the teachings of Jesus. So clearly .. they don't know Jesus .. not the one from the Bible at least ..

This is what I mock .. these wolves in sheeps clothing .. as spoken of by Jesus in Matt 7 .. Jesus mocked them too.. the Tim Tibow clowns of the world .. "Thank you Jesus" after throwing a Touchdown Pass .. in front of the crowd - making a big show.

Hint . If you find yourself being mocked by Jesus .. .. you may want to reconsider what you think is Truth.

So my question to you is -- why do you run from The Truth -- run from anything that conflicts with man made dogma ?

 

Why do you feel mocked by the vacation theory ? and why do you mock my beliefs as "Satire"

Lifes purpose - by my reckoning - is to learn the lessons that life has to teach. This is the "Gods plan" s' far as I can see .. and a logical plan.. methinks

What do you think - on the same question

 

Your rational.....your logic.....I believe God's ways are higher than your logic or rational. They certainly are mine!

Jesus said he would send us a teacher. A teacher that would help us rightfully divide the Word of Truth. Sure, His words are Truth. And Jesus IS the Word. But man is cleverly deceitful and needs that teacher being His Holy Spirit. The Body of Christ needs each other. Iron Sharpens iron. "No scripture is of a private interpretation." ( I believe that is in 1st Timothy)

God's plan for us all and His desire is for relationship. That is why he created this life. For that we need to surrender our ways and follow His. Our sin nature strives to keep us from that relationship. It takes a desire of our own free will to deny that nature. It is not logic. It is not rational. It is a desire of the heart. It is not going on a vacation to fulfill the desires of the flesh. It is relationship with Him.

God's logic or yours?

 

What "God's ways" what are you talking about .. What are "God's ways" Perhaps I believe in some of them too - maybe my God has the same ways as your made up God .. but doesn't have the same ways as the next guys Dogma who claims to believe in the same God as you.

Great . has this teacher shown up yet .. ? where did Jesus say this btw .. just curious .. another incarnation of Melchizedek perhaps ?

What logic .. what are you referring to .. what is your answer to the question .. you posed .. and I answered (Gods logic sfar as I can see)
do you have anything other than meaningless tropes ... asking a question already answered in post you are responding to.

So lets have it .. tell me what "God's ways are "