Atheist Shocked by Who He Meets in Heaven | NDE

RE: Atheist Shocked by Who He Meets in Heaven | NDE
SUBTOPIC: The Plan - What the Creator thinks or Desires
※→ yabberefugee, et al,

BLUF: Can any of the Creations produced by the Infinite Mind logically deduce its purpose? (RHETORICAL) The creations cannot know the purpose of creation. This is a question that has plagued man since the beginning of human existence.

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There is so little we actually know about the dynamics of the Supreme Being (assuming there is a Supreme Being). Our friend "yabberefugee" has it probably as correct as it can be: "God's ways are higher than your logic or rational."

We, as the Supreme Being's creations, demonstrate continuously that humanity cannot define the Creator's characteristic as the Power of the Universe and the Eternal Flame of existence. When humanity starts to interpret the scope of the Devine Control, it immediately becomes a controversy.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

It strikes me that some will hear the words of Jesus and give them credibility.....some of the time. The scripture says, "many will appear to be godlike in form, but they deny the Power thereof." We can never define God or put Him in a box, however He has reached out to us and given us the Power to partner with Him. That is how we begin the "relationship" He desires. Jesus did say he would send a "teacher". Either he did or He didn't. We start by Faith in searching the scriptures. Become one in the Body of Christ and that "teacher" makes Himself known.

"If you abide in me, and my Word abides in you, ask what you will, and it shall be done unto you-Jesus"

Try and "Imagine Heaven". The subject of this thread. Our minds could not begin to grasp it, but some blessed individuals have been given a taste. They find it hard to put into words.....but those who can walk in faith know it's there!

 

So .. who did he meet ?

 

Bought the audio-book - listening now.

 

There have been multiple, mutually contradictory NDE accounts. Most are influenced by local culture. Hell, we've even had children in the US provide NDE accounts that involve meeting Santa Claus and the Eastern Bunny. As far as I can tell, it seems to a hallucinatory event.

HOWEVER, I don't blame anyone who has had such an experience from relying on them. It's hard to argue with personal experience, as unreliable as it may be on an objective level. Frankly, I'm of the opinion that the argument from personal experience is the strongest, most rational justification for believing in the supernatural. Not truly, objectively strong, mind you, but the strongest. I've had powerful personal experiences myself . . . ones that Christians and members of other major religions would not generally be willing to accept.

If we are going to compile these kinds of experiences to find some commonality, I think @DennisTate has done more to work on that than has anyone else in the forums. And it seems, if there is a common thread, that it is one of universal salvation, regardless of belief and dogma. Or perhaps some kind of pluralism, where some experience something like heaven while others report moving on to other universes/undergoing reincarnation.

As far as I can tell, NDE reports expand the possibilities, rather than pointing to the superiority of any particular dogma.

 

Exactly....... near death experience accounts indicate a Creator who is not
stuck on various dogmas but instead....... wants us to learn to love other humans... and animals........


https://near-death.com/mellen-thomas-benedict/

My best guess is that this part of the near death experience of former Atheist Mellen Benedict reveals Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as the ultimate higher dimensional "Cyrus" type of Messiah as revealed in Isaiah chapters forty two to forty six....... but I am biased.... and I always want to take NDE accounts and relate them to some of the Jewish or Christian scriptures.

I do believe though that near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai in chapter six of his free online book "Heavenly Visitation" was telling the truth when he says he was shown that Jesus went into the lowest level of the realm of the lost for three days and three nights before his resurrection.

 

Interesting

 

Dr. Peter Fenwick answers all the important questions regarding NDE's. (1 hour interview)

 

Interesting - only leftists are able to overcome their inherent biases to arrive at a result they desire...

If you believe we die and become nothing - just an infinite blank dark nothing for eternity - why does it bother you so much that other people believe in an after life?

 

"Leftists"? Try adhering to logic & science, and dispense with the Right-vs-Left/political attacks. It doesn't belong in this discussion.

You might just learn something meaningful.

First, it doesn't bother me what people believe regarding the "after-life" or "God", etc. My two-cents is purely academic.

Second, I don't believe we "die and become nothing." Ignoring NDE research, and going on logic alone...just as no-thing cannot become some-thing, some-thing cannot become no-thing. Some-thing will always remain some-thing, although it may transform into some-thing else (depending on what is being observed & what is doing the observing).

Third, did you even watch the entire video interview? Based on Fenwick's research & that others, Fenwick's position is that NDE experiences demonstrate clear evidence of an "after-life." And I put "after-life" in quotation marks because, technically, there is no after-life if we (the Self, that unknowable "observer") never die to begin with. The Self is eternally alive-----no death, no birth. It is merely an illusory experience of birth/life/death, but there is nothing really happening to the eternal Self. There is merely the eternal continuation of awareness/consciousness experiencing itself in infinite ways.

You can look at the experience of birth & death like a radio tuning into & out of a station/frequency. At birth, the Self tunes into a body/vehicle (frequency) as a means to experience a specific reality/dimension (in this case, our physical/material world). Without this body/vehicle, the material world would not be very realistic or believable. At death, the Self tunes out of the body/vehicle. It can then tune into another body/vehicle in another reality/dimension. Conceivably, since space & time do not exist, the Self can tune into multiple bodies/vehicles in multiple realities/dimensions simultaneously. We thus have "other-lives", rather than "past-lives" or "future-lives." These other-lives (time-lines) that we are living exist simultaneously, and influence the time-line we are currently aware of.

It means also that we don't "leave" the body upon physical death because we were never "in" the body to begin with.

Psychoactive drugs & herbs, stress, illness, NDE's (trauma, shock, etc.), OBE's, meditation, rituals, and sleep (ie, dreaming) can thin/blurr or remove the barriers between material & non-material dimensions. (Some people, like psychics, are born hard-wired with a much thinner barrier, and thus experience multiple realities & time-lines simultaneously.) At death, the physical brain can no longer act as a filter or reducing agent for infinite consciousness. A much larger world (that was always there) then comes into our awareness, and memories of who/what we are (including infinite knowledge) come flooding back to us. That immense feeling of unconditional, infinite "love" that NDE'ers report experiencing is actually the experience of "reconnecting" (we were never really disconnected) with Oneness. After experiencing the harsh world of separation, the experience of reconnecting with Oneness would certainly be exhilerating, and would feel like coming home. It's no surprise that NDE'ers only reluctantly return to the earth-world.

There is also the question of why some NDE'ers have "heavenly" experiences, while others have "hellish" experiences. If you want to learn about the true nature of these heavenly/hellish NDE experiences, then read The Astral World by Swami Panchadasi (a pseudonym) . It's a small book (36 pages) densely packed with fascinating details about the multi-layered "Astral" dimensions. The author/occult practitioner/Astral traveler takes the reader on an exciting tour through the labrynth of Astral realms, revealing its role & influences in our world. You'll also learn about the true nature of ghosts/specters, and such. You can read it for free in pdf form (just do a google search).

 

Did I touch a nerve?