Attempting to understand Islam

They embrace their death.

Motto of the Muslim Brotherhood

'Allah is our objective; the Prophet is our leader; the Quran is our law; Jihad is our way; dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."

On a tape claiming responsibility for the Madrid bombings

'You love life, we love death'

Leader of Hamas

"The Israelis love life but we love death, and so we will win."

 

Just like many Christians, with their bat crazy ideas of rapture.

It is a delusion.

 

Im not aware of any christians committing suicide terrorist attacks. The christians bat crazy ideas of rapture dont effect the rest of us unless the rapture were to occur. Much like Jesus statement, "I have come with a sword" isnt a factor unless jesus were to come back.

 

That's got nothing to do with Islam.

There are a raft of complext political reasons that make one so desperate, as to do that.

But it is not for the reason of wanting death for themselves, in the manner you mean it.

 

The invasions across North Africa and onto Spain were not related to religion until the conquests looked like failing. They were purely power based. That is, they would have happened regardless of Islam. Conflicts between the invading forces threatened the break up of the Arab/Moor conquests across North Africa and Spain. Islam was promoted in an attemp to unite these forces and that worked to re unite the Arab/Moors. Without Islam, the in-fighting amongst the Moors/Arabs would have lead to the collapse.

 

Nonsense. People of all faiths are subjected to the same "raft of complext political reasons", but only muslims are so desparate, as to do that. 15 Saudis and 4 others from Egypt, Lebanon and UAE flew planes into the WTC, Pentagon and the earth in Penn. only because Iraqis are Muslims like they are. If Iraqis were instead christians, they wouldnt of cared less about the "raft of complext political reasons" they were subjected to.

 

Yeah, so said a bunch of proven liars, and the Kosher approved media.

Millions do not buy that anymore, and no, you are not better placed than all of them to speak, and yes, their voice does matter.

 

Like the ole saying goes...killing in the name of religion or for peace is like (*)(*)(*)(*)ing for virginity. However, it is the human condition in this day and age.

 

[video=youtube;p-RGN21TSGk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-RGN21TSGk[/video]

 

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/22/opinion/la-oe-pape-fgn-occupation-20101022


Tamil Tigers weren't Muslim, either.

isn't about religion.

 

Christopher Hitchens once said that if they love death so much "...then fine, I'm here to help". As far as I'm concerned, I don't see how a dead man can claim anything, much less victory. LOL!

 

LOLOLOL!!! Whats your theory. Was it 19 suicidal Israelis in your mind? I dont believe you are capeable of rational discussion of such matters.

 

But he doesnt want us to pour water on their face.

 

????? Had everything to do with Islam. Islam is submission. Submission to allah and submission to Islamic law. Waging jihad "until religion is only for allah".

 

Point being?

 

??? Your need to go back 23 years only demonstrates my point.

 

so I am assuming that progressive European domination of the Americas, Oceania, most of Asia, and Africa from the 15th century through to the 20th century was the result of christian aggression?

 

Yeah, the Catholics are Idolaters, but they are not the worst ones on the planet.

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Since Rocks and Idols cannot change their mind...

Since Allah cannot change his mind...

Since MoHamMad is the last prophet "through whom God speaks, after which there is to be no other."

Therefore, Black Stone Idolaters have turned Allah into a rock.

Consequently, it is understandable that they did not have to include in their Koran a test for further words from God:

“Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. “

They need that not, as their god is a rock and they are Black Stone Idolaters.

 

It was certainly a motivating tool that enabled that domination to succeed. Religious people are always exploited to take up arms against a godless enemy. I think you are naive to think religion wasn't a major factor in european colonial expansion. Likewise, the average muslim wasn't driven by a question for economic or political power when he went off to conquer Spain. Take religion out of the picture and history would have been very different indeed!

 

perhaps you could explain how it demonstrates your point.

 

of course, religion is used ... an ignorant population may believe that God is on their side, but european expansion is no more an example of the inherent militancy of Christianity, than the expansion of various caliphates is evidence of the inherent militancy of Islam

 

Nope. Show me anything in the bible that would support such actions. Protestant reformation used the text of the bible to demonstrate the illigitimacy of the rule of the catholic church. Islamic reformation uses the text of the koran and hadiths to show the legitimacy of the Islamic Caliphate that ruled from 630s to the 1920s and the requirement to fight to bring about its return

 

you don't need the text of the bible - although there is plenty of imagery of religious militarism there.

but a knowledge of history demonstrates that religious dominanation was certainly one aim of european expansion.

 

??? Right, a goal of European expansionism as opposed to a goal of Christianity. While on the other hand The Islamic Caliph-

1: Ibn Khaldoon defined it as: A representation, of the one who has the right to adopt the divine rules, aimed at protecting the Deen and ruling the world (Dunia) with it.

2: Al-Mawirdi defined it as: Succession of the Prophethood aimed at protecting the Deen and ruling the world (Dunia).
http://alkhilafah.net/s1.html

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, AND religion should be only for Allah.

Not imagery but instead direct commandments to the believers.

 

Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain?