Australian expert Ian Simmonds on Climate Change

That is based on the hypothesis that CO2 is central to warming when only approximately 4% of CO2 comes from anthropogenic sources. Currently the 'models' predicted continued warming based on rising CO2 yet it is going on two decades without increased warming. That will not stop the politicians from hyping catastrophic global warming when it is becoming clear that there is more to this than a simple hypothesis.

 

Yes this would be great if we were discussing a prediction on who was going to win the Melbourne Cup, but this is not the Melbourne Cup, it could mean extinction of life and yes it may not be man made, it may not happen, but until someone says They can guarantee categorically 100% that it won't happen then I want to look at every stone. But this is not the "end all" solution, we have a few other things to work on. Food, population, religion. So let's get to work... seriously

 

As it turns out it was warmer 4,000 years ago when a current Swiss glacier uncovered the remains of a forest. Warming is nothing out of the ordinary especially after coming out of the Little Ice Age. Warming is also not even over the globe as it warms more in the northern and southern latitudes and the equator not so much. Warming has always resulted in better conditions for man such as the Viking expansion. One of the predictions of the CO2 centric models was warming in the troposphere so where is the missing hot spot?

 

Trouble is the agw cultists are very fluid with their definitions of local and global. If an event doesn't support their doctrine it is immediately labeled local and disregarded, no matter how big it is but if an event supports their doctrine it is immediately labeled evidence of agw, no matter how small it is.

 

No I am afraid you have it back to front, that's denialists you are talking about.

Take your ill informed comment. "I just wish all this warming wasn't making it so cold!" This not only demonstrates your basic misunderstanding and ignorance but an unwillingness to change.

Global warming is not just about you feeling warmer each year or a consistently rising mean temperature and because it is a different world now then it was 100's of thousands of years ago, reflecting back means nothing. The world was different then, continents were different, ocean currents, air currents, forested areas to desert ratios, flora and fauna differences, thousands of differences.

Global worming is about changes in our planets ionosphere. It's about changes in currents, changes in weather patterns, some bringing unusually cold weather some bringing unusually hot weather. But it is wrong, it is unnatural it is man made. Sure we add only a very small percentage, but as a scientist I know that sometimes small differences make big differences.

An example is you yourself. Your normal body core temperature is between 36.5–37.5 °C. 1 and 1/2 degrees lower and you have Hypothermia. a 1/2 degree hotter and you have Hyperthermia, 2 and a 1/2 degrees higher is Hyperpyrexia and a medical emergency. I am sure yo have heard the expression "The straw that broke the camels back"

 

Ever heard the saying "tongue in cheek"?

Yep, everything has always changed and will always change. You don't know that it is 'unnatural' or man made. Sure, we may be contributing in some small way to the ever changing world but no one can point to any compeling evidence that we are the CAUSE of any current changes. If we are the cause of changes then we must also be the cause of the current cooling trend, can't have it both ways mate.

Looks good at first glance but 2 degrees is 5% of 37. The agw cultists are telling us that a change of .00015% is going to be catastrophic. You'll have to find a better example.

 

Ok, the average ejaculation is 2ml, there is approx 40million sperm per ml, that is 80 million sperm, now only one spermatozoais needed to create a child. That is 1 in 80 million or 0.000000025% of the total sperm.

 

That's even worse. That's one to one, one sperm, one child. I will give you a better example, one drop of food colouring in a bucket full of water, or better still one small crystal of potassium permanganate in a bucket of water. Think on that.

 

And I wish we would all live more to our means. Coal is from the past, burning fossil fuels is stupid, fracking even more stupid, nuclear waste cannot be stored safely, yes temperatures are increasing, water qualities are decreasing, we have wars on all four corners of our planet, and then there are still people like you, who for whatever personal reason, deny everything.....

 

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/1...conundrum-did-humans-cause-global-warming.htm

The term 'headless chooks' springs to mind.

 

Coal is actually in the present and burning fossil fuels is still the only real cheap source of energy. Fracking allows us to provide the increasing energy demands until other sources are created. Right now temperatures are not increasing. The real problem with water is not quality but quantity and we have had wars on all four corners of our planet since, well, forever.

 

What part of that refutes AGW??

And I am also glad to see that you are happy with the idea the climate is changing - because the question is - what adaptation must we make to prevent major losses in the agriculture industry?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-10/agricultural-giant-says-climate-change-absolutely-real/5659058

 

Never said it refutes agw. It is an example of how much conflicting data there is floating around. Climate science is far from certain, that is way the agw cultists cannot provide the irrefutable evidence of agw.
Never claimed the climate wasn't changing. I have always said the climate is always changing, it has never been static.

 

Of course there is and always will be conflicting data - THAT is how science works - they repeat experiments until a clear pattern emerges as it has with climate change

Now given that we are facing change - the real question is - how much is it going to cost?

 

You mean like the current hiatus in warming when that was not supposed to happen, you mean that clear pattern? Right now there are 29 'ideas' why this has happened completely counter to the 'clear pattern' of the CO2 centric hypothesis.

 

Don't need scientists to tell us the climate is changing, it has always changed. The fact that the alarmists have made so many predictions that have been wrong tells us that they don't really understand what causes change in the climate.

Why should it cost anything more or less than the cost of past climate change? The climate has always changed.

 

Well according to agricultural experts we are certainly going to pay . and pay and pay

 

You are probably right, if the present cooling trend continues it will devastate agriculture and the price of food will sky rocket.

 

You mean like this years bumper crop of corn and soybeans?

 

We have lived on this property for 15 years now and Wednesday night was the first time we have had a frost in September. The agw high priests told us it was going to get warmer and warmer and warmer and hotter and hotter!!! looks to me like it is actually going the other way.

 

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/season/nsw/sydney.shtml

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/season/aus/summary.shtml

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/winter-records-melt-for-sydney-20130826-2slo2.html

http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/sydneys-warmest-winter-on-record/25312

http://www.weather.com/news/science...mest-record-continuing-warming-trend-20140220

 

Forget Sydney, it is just a fly spot on the map and suffers from the heat island effect. Of course it will get warmer as the population increases. In country Queensland we have had an unusually cold and long winter including several record low temperatures being recorded and many near record lows. Up in the northern hemisphere the US had a record cold summer with many record low temperatures being recorded. Just back in 2010 we saw the lowest temp ever recorded on earth broken. The new record is now minus 93 degrees which is 4 degrees colder than the previous record. But I'm happy, a slightly cooler climate would be a blessing around were we live!

 

Bulltwang we have. You might have had it a bit colder for a bit longer where you are but that is not the rest of Queensland. Now what parts of 'average' and 'global' are missing from your statements?

BTW love the heat island effect of Sydney - seems to go all the way out to sea,,,,,,,

 

Another of your meaningless and sourcless pretty pictures BB?
Are you disputing that Sydney, like all big cities, is a heat island?

 

Yeah it's only weather when its cold...got it.