Australian expert Ian Simmonds on Climate Change

The BOM is under fire right now to explain why they have been changing raw temperature data from good stations to make it look warmer than the past.

 

Record low temps;
1961 Queensland record low Stanthorpe -10.6
1965 Queensland record low equaled Warwick -10.6
1970 Victoria record low falls Creek -11.7
1976 SA record low Yongala -8.2
1976 NT record low Alice Springs -7.5
1983 Tasmania record low (several places) -13
1994 Lowest record for NSW and Australia Charlotte Pass -23
2008 WA record low Eyre -7.2

So Qld, NSW, SA, WA, NT, TAS, VIC and Australia overall have all recorded record low temperatures since 1960. Strange for a world that is supposed to be warming up!

 

Come on now... This is a person who thinks a pretty picture of temperature anomalies is true representation of temperatures... You cannot expect they believe the “Homogenization of temperature data” is anything but good science

 

Under fire from whom? And what evidence is there to support the allegation? Has it been dealt with yet or are we to simply let it go at that?

 

Evidence? The data. Of course the BOM deflects from the problem.

 

I had heard there was a bit of a fuss going on over it, but can't remember exactly when. I think I may have dismissed it as the usual nutters banging on but it's an interesting point so I should find out about it. BTW have you seen the BOM site that links different interpretations of weather and climate between the European perspective and that of indigenous people in Aus? - http://www.bom.gov.au/iwk/?ref=ftr Not a debating point, just out of interest.

 

Thanks, interesting.

 

Actually, it is the rest of Queensland.

http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/story.jsp?id=6812

 

Aaaaaand the very first sentence

.Many parts of Queensland experienced their coldest day on record yesterday, and the cold snap is continuing today, according to weatherzone.com.au.


So tell me - when did "many parts" become "the rest of the state"?

And this was JUNE - what is the weather (not climate) like NOW?? Is it still cold for this time of year? Has the "cold snap" still continued?

 

That did not answer Ds question - under fire from whom?? I have been through this with a couple of other posters and have investigated it myself but am interested in what you find out behind this as opposed to what you might have heard someone suggesting might be an issue

 

http://jennifermarohasy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Changing_Temperature_Data.pdf

 

So, MANY PARTS experienced their coldest day on record. I was only talking about the area around where I live but hey, many other parts of Queensland also experienced an unusually cold winter including many record low temps. Thanks for that BB.
I will say it again, isn't it a bit strange for many parts to be experiencing their coldest day on record when we were told it was going to get warmer and warmer? This warming we are told has been going on for 150 years or more, yet we are getting record low temps. As I pointed out in another post, Australia as a whole plus every state has recorded their lowest temperatures on record in the last 50 years.
Silly me, I forgot, anything that contradicts the agw doctrine is just 'local' or 'weather', never 'climate' except of course if it lends support to the agw doctrine then it is always 'climate'.

 

Love the way antarctic ice is now at record levels and arctic ice is expanding rapidly after the low coverage of 2012. This after the agw preists prophercised the arctic would be ice free in 2013...

 

Firstly we had the claim that the local area was representative of, I guess the rest of the world, then when called on that we had the claim that somehow "many parts" make a whole - or at least a "rest of" and then when called on THAT claim that I have been the one supporting your contention

Why does this remind me of a kid trying to hide wee and denying they have wet their pants - not that I am accusing you of doing that but somehow that picture just floated across my mind

Now your part of Queensland must be reverting to a cracker of a cracker night because the rest is one massive straw man

No-one has ever claimed there will never be another cold day - just that the average temperatures will rise

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Source? Don't tell me = Anthony "Wattsupmybutt"????

 

1. Authors - well known mouth pieces for oil and coal

2. NOT peer reviewed but published by a think tank backed by "business people" AKA Clive Palmer

Basically it is a conspiracy piece put out by paid shills

 

You were the one who claimed it was only 'my part' and everywhere else was different, when in fact it wasn't just my part but 'many parts'. Har har har! shot yourself in the foot there BB.

Now you seem to be trying to deny that many parts, not just my part, experienced an unusually cold winter with record low temperatures.

You are trying to side step my contention that we should not be seeing record low temperatures in every state and not just in Australia. The agw prophercies of doom had temperatures rising in a linear fashion but this has not happened. It stands to reason that if the temperature has been increasing for the last 150 years we should not now be seeing record low temperatures.

"No-one has ever claimed there will never be another cold day - just that the average temperatures will rise" That is a severally watered down statement from what were hearing a few years ago!! And it is not quite right either, we had a high preist of agw prophercising that snow would now become rare in Britton. That is pretty close to claiming there would be never be days as cold as in the past.

Are you refuting that antarctic ice is at record levels and arctic ice is expanding?

 

Love the way agw cultists try to ignore this little bit of history.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/science/globalwarming1922.asp

 

Yeah, it is pretty useless to actually provide real data to people of the true belief, like you they just ignore it and attack the messenger. Predictable.

 

Hoos, you have to understand that the authors Dennis Jensen PhD, Ken Stewart PhD, John Abbot PhD and Jennifer Maroshasy PhD are all heritics and their paper is blasphemy.

 

LOL, of course. What was I thinking. I better watch it or they will burn me at the stake.

 

So it was warmer than usual in Spitzbergen in 1922. So what do you imagine that shows?

 

Anyone to ignore the facts that humanity is contributing to the pollution of this planet is an out-right idiot. We as a species can get free power and energy from the sun and wind, just to name two sustainable alternatives, but we would rather destroy our own planet by digging up and using dirty coal for power and energy, or use unsafe nuclear power. We currently have all the technology we need to get as much FREE power and energy from natural sustainable sources, but we just need someone with the intellect to implement that strategy on behalf of humanity.

 

Har har har har! That sounds like a typical agw cultist response, pick one little fact out of the whole article, present it out of context and ignore all the rest (because it is inconvenient for the agw doctrine).

 

That was the only fact in the article.

"As interesting as this nearly century-old article might be from a modern perspective, however, it isn't substantive evidence either for or against the concept of anthropogenic global warming. As documented elsewhere, the warming phenomena observed in 1922 proved to be indicative only of a local event in Spitzbergen, not a trend applicable to the Arctic as a whole. "

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/science/globalwarming1922.asp#zYvWpG530A2bsgp6.99

 

Yes I agree but it is not intellect we are lacking, it someone with the balls to stand up to big businesss and the unions. Also someone to say enough is enough to the PC brigade and to the niagaras of public money being wasted and miss used.