Barack HUSSEIN Obama is finished

LMAO @ Madonna! Madonna!!!!!!!!!!!! My abs hurt now!!!!!

 

Why would I condemn something associated with guns? I happen to like guns. I enjoy shooting clay pigeons and I prefer revolvers over automatics. Hope that doesn't make your Conservative mind suffer an annuerysm from having your stereotype upset.

Two things about the article:
a) Just a post or two ago you said "this thread is about why Obama is losing the election"- and this article has nothing to do with it. It is frankly a pile of paranoid conspiracy theories that voters are rightfully ignoring- AND have nothing to do with the election. And have nothing to do with the post you were responding to.
b) I would be glad to show the lies in the article- but frankly I think you will reject any legitimate source that disagrees with what you believe. Tell me that you will accept information from a legitimate news source or government agency that says that one of the claims is BS and I will waste my time on it.

But frankly your history is that you reject any information that doesn't agree with your firmly held convictions.

 

And I say again:
Then why do you keep bringing up wierd stuff up that has nothing to do with that?

 

As I suspected, you can not find anything in the article that is not true. You must admit that the coincidences are troubling if not downright scary.

Glad that you are not a gun hater. I also prefer revolvers to automatics, much less to go wrong if you are ever in a life or death situation. My favorite carry gun is a S&W 38 special hammerless airlight. I have had a concealed carry permit for years and luckily have never needed it.

I do have a prediction and a recommendation for you: If you think obama is going to win, buy Smith & Wesson stock, because gun sales will skyrocket if he gets another term.

Yes, the thread is about obama, and why he SHOULD lose the election. No matter how hard you try, you cannot refute all of the things mentioned in that article.

 

How can abortion be made illegal on the federal level? To do so would require a constitutional amendment that itself would need to be passed by two thirds of Congress and seventy five percent of state legislatures. How likely is that to happen?

What are you referring to? Antitrust? FDA? FCC? SEC? FTC? Stopping crony capitalism like Solyndra is the only thing being discussed.

Environmentalism is the enemy of the working person in America by killing skilled industries like coal, fishing and timber.

That's going to happen in any event. You can't get around the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause forever. Besides, the Supreme Court says the rationale for AA is now diversity and not making up for past wrongs. Diversity won't be able to stand up to the Equeal Protection Clause. But I can see how this issue can be used to drum up white tribalism. By pursuing Afr. Act. you end up playing into my white grievance narrative. Think long and hard about doing so wittingly.

What elections are you referring to? Those in SF?

 

Where is leftist America weakest? In its hold on the opinions of the white middle class. Maybe the white middle class needs to become as aggrieved as the Black underclass. Make the two groups rage at each other. Further the spirit of division, grievance and loss. It's easy to do in an economy that isn't really growing. Make race relations real hostile. It's easy to do. Hostile race relations create strife. Strife is what is needed.

 

the problem that you, and most liberals, have is that you think your ideas are right and no one else has a right to disagree with you. Some of the so-called liberal programs have been good and should be continued. But when you say things like conservatives wanted to exploit children in order to make more profit (not your words, my interpretation of your position) you are either disengenuous or naive. Children and women were exploited by people of all political beliefs and a concensus of all parties and beliefs ended them. Slavery was not an invention os conservatives, it was an invention of society. It was ended by right thinking people of all political persuasions.

Many people think that gay marriage is wrong, and that marriage is one man and one woman. Are those people not entitled to their beliefs? Even the blue state of california voted against gay marriage.

You and sanfranjeff need to wake up and realize that fair minded people can disagree and that this country lets all viewpoints be heard---then the people vote on which viewpoint they want to live under. If you don't like the vote of the majority, you can either leave the country, state, or city; or you can speak out and try to change minds.

But to demonize all conservatives as some kind of evil child killers and slavers is the height of ignorance.

 

I think the best SCOTUS is one that is balanced, and one that does very little. the SCOTUS should be interpreting the constitution literally, not making law or trying to claim that the constitution is a living document subject to change based on which party controls DC at the time.

 

Where did I ever say or imply any such thing? I said your history is that you will reject whatever I show not to be true.

) I would be glad to show the lies in the article- but frankly I think you will reject any legitimate source that disagrees with what you believe. Tell me that you will accept information from a legitimate news source or government agency that says that one of the claims is BS and I will waste my time on it.

But frankly your history is that you reject any information that doesn't agree with your firmly held convictions.

So my challenge to you is this cajun:

Confirm you will accept any legitimate source- legitimate news source, government published account, etc- not blogs, not opinion pieces- and I will go find the lies in the article.

Otherwise, I am not going to waste my time. I have already shown over and over that you have no consideration with the truth- like your claim that there was never a government ban on birth control.

That you are relying on conspiracy theory rantings rather than actual sources of information just confirms the essential nuttiness of most of your claims.

 

It is right in the Republican Platform
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...a2bc2a-eb86-11e1-a80b-9f898562d010_story.html
As Republican officials continue their attempts to persuade Rep. Todd Akin of Missouri to end his bid for the Senate over his comments about rape and abortion, GOP leaders adopted a party platform on Tuesday that calls for a constitutional amendment protecting “human life” but does not say whether exceptions should be allowed in cases of rape and incest.
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Ok jeff, lets go. here are the first two paragraphs from the article--Jarret and Ayers. Which statements in those paragraphs are not true?

Obama just happened to know 60s far-left radical revolutionary William Ayers, whose father just happened to be Thomas Ayers, who just happened to be a close friend of Obama’s communist mentor Frank Marshall Davis, who just happened to work at the communist-sympathizing Chicago Defender with Vernon Jarrett, who just happened to later become the father-in-law of Iranian-born leftist Valerie Jarrett, who Obama just happened to choose as his closest White House advisor, and who just happened to have been CEO of Habitat Company, which just happened to manage public housing in Chicago, which just happened to get millions of dollars from the Illinois state legislature, and which just happened not to properly maintain the housing—which eventually just happened to require demolition.

Valerie Jarrett also just happened to work for the city of Chicago, and just happened to hire Michelle LaVaughan Robinson (later Obama), who just happened to have worked at the Sidley Austin law firm, where former fugitive from the FBI Bernardine Dohrn also just happened to work, and where Barack Obama just happened to get a summer job


Read more at Ammoland.com: http://www.ammoland.com/2012/10/03/the-obama-timeline/#ixzz28TGd9zre

 

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If the congress passes a bill making abortion illegal, then that would represent the will of a majority of the people.

Personally, abortion is not a big issue, I think that abortion is murder but those doing it will have to answer for it when they leave this world. What if obama's mother had believed in abortion? or yours??

 

yea...that is what was said back in '08, and the only thing it did was make the gun manufacturers and ammo suppliers a (*)(*)(*)(*)load of money.

 

you would probably lead a more serene life if you didn't see everything as a race issue.

 

Conservatives have tried to prevent or reduce the effectiveness of all of the above.

Environmentalism is not killing the fishing industry Albert- you should know better. It is not because of Environmentalism that salmon fishing is so depleted on the West Coast. Well regulated fishing industries can rebound- unregulated fishing industries fish until the population is completely destroyed. Coal? The price of coal is not competitive with the price of natural gas, and natural gas is much, much cleaner.

And I am proud that we don't allow all of our old growth Redwoods be cut down.

I think what is left of Affirmative action- which is not much- will be eliminated, and I will not mourn its loss. I won't have to hear the pissing and moaning from whites who are comfortable with getting preferences because their white daddy went to college there, but can't stand the idea of someone getting in just because their daddy was black.

Certain states and districts require Federal approval before they can change their local election laws- certain areas that historically discriminated against non-white voters- mostly in the South.

 

And where have I said or implied otherwise?

I am here on this forum doing exactly that.

And when have I ever said or implied otherwise?

 

As I have said twice before your history is that you will reject whatever I show not to be true.

) I would be glad to show the lies in the article- but frankly I think you will reject any legitimate source that disagrees with what you believe. Tell me that you will accept information from a legitimate news source or government agency that says that one of the claims is BS and I will waste my time on it.

But frankly your history is that you reject any information that doesn't agree with your firmly held convictions.

So my challenge to you is this cajun:

Confirm you will accept any legitimate source- legitimate news source, government published account, etc- not blogs, not opinion pieces- and I will go find the lies in the article.

Otherwise, I am not going to waste my time. I have already shown over and over that you have no consideration with the truth- like your claim that there was never a government ban on birth control.

 

If the congress passes a bill making abortion illegal, then that would represent the will of a majority of the people.

Personally, abortion is not a big issue, I think that abortion is murder but those doing it will have to answer for it when they leave this world. What if obama's mother had believed in abortion? or yours??[/QUOTE]

Albert was saying that such an amendment was not a Conservative position, and I was pointing out that Conservatives like yourself are indeed exactly for this.

 

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Not going to happen. There are too many hurdles to cross. Legal abortion can't be eliminated. To suggest that it can is preposterous.

You sound as hysterical as that guy from Missouri named Akin.

Your only objective is to control the Supreme Court and then force your ideology down our unwilling throats. Well, if that's the deal then screw the US. Better to scuttle the ship of state than to let your side hold on to the wheel.

 

Not going to happen. There are too many hurdles to cross. Legal abortion can't be eliminated. To suggest that it can is preposterous.

You sound as hysterical as that guy from Missouri named Akin.

Your only objective is to control the Supreme Court and then force your ideology down our unwilling throats. Well, if that's the deal then screw the US. Better to scuttle the ship of state than to let your side hold on to the wheel.[/QUOTE]

To paraphrase you- don't get so hysterical Albert. Conservatives indeed would like to make Abortion illegal, and one justice has been the difference on the court for the last 20 years.

I don't want to force any ideology down anyones throat, other than the ideology of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

 

And to quote you:
"This thread is about obama and why he is a losing to a businessman with a record of success. "

None of the innuendo you posted above has anything to do with what you yourself said this thread is about.

 

Some conservatives don't oppose abortion rights. Stereotypes aren't accurate in fact.

If Roe vs. Wade were reversed abortion wouldn't be illegal and you know it. Each state would decide for itself. You know that and you know that I know that. So don't make stuff up.

 

Sterotypes are rarely accurate. When I am say 'Conservatives" I am saying it broadly- just as you stereotype all Liberals.

If Roe vs. Wade were reversed, abortion would become illegal in many states very quickly. You know that, and you know I know that. I said Conservatives would like to make abortion illegal- and that is part of the Conservative platform- they are willing to do it federally- by Amendment or by federal law that would be of dubious constitutionality- or state by state.

This is why Conservatives are so desperate to have a strongly conservative court that will overturn Roe V. Wade.

 

Do you understand why I see you as a threat and not Al Qaeda?

Roe v. Wade isn't going to be overruled because of Stare Decisis, and you know it.

If by some stretch of the imagination the precedent were overruled each state would decide for itself what legitimacy abortion should have. Every blue state would insist on abortion on demand up to the point of infanticide. Red states would be harder to predict.

Race relations will become a new sore spot in this country because the economy isn't growing at a sufficient pace to allow African Americans and Latinos the opportunity to move up the economic food chain. The Blue model of govt. and society is going down because of the transfer of wealth and power from America. That means the tribes that live in America will have to compete ever more fiercely with each other.

Your side my win, but it will be a pyrrhic victory because the fruit of your labor will be poisoned.