"basic functions of civilization"

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Rampart, Feb 16, 2021.

  1. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    8,516
    Likes Received:
    4,018
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And guess what? Grid tied solar or wind doesn't work when the grid is down, so you can have panels all over your roof and you lights will remain out until the local distribution grid is restored.
     
  2. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    43,821
    Likes Received:
    10,948
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Are you kidding? Just take five minutes to look up green energy subsidies.
     
  3. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    16,372
    Likes Received:
    8,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I thought you had the info handy.
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2021
  4. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    43,821
    Likes Received:
    10,948
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Looked it up in total green energy gets 6.6billion in federal subsidies every year. Fossil fuels about 8 percent of that and that's mostly in the form of depletion allowances.
     
    ChiCowboy likes this.
  5. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    43,821
    Likes Received:
    10,948
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Mostly they don't have clue the average person that thinks wind mills are a solution to much of anything has never been within a hundred miles of one.
     
  6. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    43,821
    Likes Received:
    10,948
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well that would be because everyone still in town was at the superdome except for the cops and looters.
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2021
  7. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    16,372
    Likes Received:
    8,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Thanks. I couldn't find anything from last year, but 2019 saw ~$20 billion in subsidies for coal, oil and gas. Far more than renewables. The 6.6 is sure to go up but let's not pretend the oil companies aren't sucking our tax dollars as well.
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2021
  8. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    43,821
    Likes Received:
    10,948
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Somebody's blowing smoke I found 480 million in 2016. Somebody made some bad assumptions in their numbers. Note not every subsidy big oil, Exxon for instance gets is directly related to oil. For instance Exxon has built a crap load of wind farms and is heavily invested in biodiesel research and development all of those get them subsidies that have nothing to do with fossil fuels. Same is true for other US based major oil companies.
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2021
  9. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    16,372
    Likes Received:
    8,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I just read a Forbes article from 2016. It's a lot more than what you're claiming. That was over 4 years ago anyway.

    It's in the 10s of billions.
     
  10. Badaboom

    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2018
    Messages:
    4,732
    Likes Received:
    2,512
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That southern in texas and that amount of precipitations... come on...
     
  11. Badaboom

    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2018
    Messages:
    4,732
    Likes Received:
    2,512
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Hey, gas and coal powerstation are down too! This happens when demands outpace supplies.
     
  12. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    8,516
    Likes Received:
    4,018
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Incorrect, unless off for pre-planned maintenance, neither coal nor gas generation is offline.

    Do you really have a clue of what you are talking about, or do you just make this crap up?
     
  13. Badaboom

    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2018
    Messages:
    4,732
    Likes Received:
    2,512
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I heard it on the radio driving home. I catch a Vt radio station.
     
  14. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    43,821
    Likes Received:
    10,948
    Trophy Points:
    113
    so less than three times as much for 90 percent of our energy supply. Do even if the numbers are right and I doubt it, ten percent of our power is getting more than 1/4 of the subsidies. And that doesnt include hidden subsidies the tax payers themselves are paying in higher utility bill in order to create a less stable energy grid.
     
  15. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    8,516
    Likes Received:
    4,018
    Trophy Points:
    113
    As you can see CA demand is is well under projected, typical for them.

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2021
  16. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    43,821
    Likes Received:
    10,948
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Which happens when 20 percent of your supply us down when ever the wind speed is out of parameters or the windmills freeze up and cloud cover exceeds parameters.
     
  17. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    8,516
    Likes Received:
    4,018
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Simple, fall back on conventional generation or worse peakers.
     
  18. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    43,821
    Likes Received:
    10,948
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The problem is you need far more reserve capacity if your going to use wind and solar.
     
  19. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    16,654
    Likes Received:
    10,883
    Trophy Points:
    113
    But other than that, everything is fine :p
     
    HockeyDad likes this.
  20. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    8,516
    Likes Received:
    4,018
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And reserve capacity is expensive and polluting, negating the benefits of solar and wind.
     
  21. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    43,821
    Likes Received:
    10,948
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yep.
     
  22. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    20,300
    Likes Received:
    5,002
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You got me.

    /sarcasm

    Sorry she is an unintelligent uniformed naive kid that has been put in a position that is way over her head and you don't have a responses to that, so you just post drivel.
     
  23. Lucifer

    Lucifer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2014
    Messages:
    9,253
    Likes Received:
    4,748
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I defer to your expertise on drivel. You've nailed it!

    AOC has done her job if she threatens your sensibilities.
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2021
    Phyxius and Rampart like this.
  24. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    16,372
    Likes Received:
    8,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Debunking Myths About Federal Oil & Gas Subsidies (forbes.com)

    It's a wide swath, but nowhere near what you claim. $10 billion at least. It's a good article. Calculating subsidies can be done in many ways. They cover the estimates from a $10 billion to $52 billion. It's a matter of perspective, but it's in the tens of billions.
     
  25. Bullseye

    Bullseye Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2021
    Messages:
    710
    Likes Received:
    637
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Gender:
    Male
    I’m not sure what your point is. Back during the fires this summer electricity was shut off over large portions of the state. Just a few weeks ago our utility conducted rolling blackout because of high winds heightening wildfire possibilities.
     

Share This Page